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re: Miles DOES NOT Win Games He's Not Suppose to

Posted on 11/12/09 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/12/09 at 3:57 pm to
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If LSU is supposed to lose to UF or Bama, and they do, that somehow means Miles is a bad coach?

Maybe if LSU is supposed to lose BECAUSE of Miles? Like the bookies think he is a bad coach?
And a better coach would have LSU playing at a higher level and would be favored to win against Bama and actually beat Bama?
I'm thinking too hard about this.
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I think may here agree with your assessment that Miles is decent not great, but the methods you use to come to that conclusion are a bit screwy.

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Posted by Skooter
Member since Jun 2008
2257 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:01 pm to
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I think many here agree with your assessment that Miles is decent not great, but the methods you use to come to that conclusion are a bit screwy.


I would say Miles is better than decent. I think he's somewhere between good and great, but not elite.
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 4:02 pm
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
Member since Dec 2004
31035 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:02 pm to
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Maybe if LSU is supposed to lose BECAUSE of Miles? Like the bookies think he is a bad coach? And a better coach would have LSU playing at a higher level and would be favored to win against Bama and actually beat Bama?


I'm pretty sure Kenny White, CRIS, Greek, etc.. aren't afraid to make Miles the chalk over Meyer and Saban when he has the nuts and/or homefield(like in '07, and '05)..

I'm pretty sure that being double-digit dogs in '09 was more based upon the big uglies edge on both sides of the trenches, a bye week for both, scoring margins, etc..
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 4:04 pm
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:05 pm to
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I'm pretty sure that being double-digit dogs in '09 was more based upon the big uglies edge on both sides of the trenches, a bye week for both, scoring margins, etc..

Me too. I was just tryin'.

Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:06 pm to
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I would say Miles is better than decent. I think he's somewhere between good and great, but not elite.

I agree with this. The problem is, he gets paid like an elite coach.
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
4500 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:09 pm to
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I agree with this. The problem is, he gets paid like an elite coach


49-13 with a natl title will do that for a guy. If he stops winning, he'll no longer get paid like an elite coach. (at least not by LSU)
Posted by Mindenfan
Minden
Member since Sep 2006
4823 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:11 pm to
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But I get your point. Miles doesnt win many SEC games that his team was not favored to win. Although I doubt he is alone in this. And LSU is probably favored in every conference game except Florida, Bama, and UGA on the road. Not many teams do well against them.
Those 3 teams don't win many games they aren't supposed to win either.
Posted by rtgr
New Orleans/Jackson Wyoming
Member since Nov 2005
2528 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:15 pm to
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His pay puts him in the elite class where things like this will separate him from his far superior peers.


Will it separate your mouth from their genitals?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:16 pm to
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49-13 with a natl title will do that for a guy. If he stops winning, he'll no longer get paid like an elite coach. (at least not by LSU)

True. But I think what the OP is really trying to say is that Miles is a decent coach but not great, bc a great coach would have more wins, bigger margin of victory, and would pull an upset in the SEC once in a while. A decent coach could win with this talent, but a great coach, like the ones at Florida and Bama, would have LSU dominating.
Posted by denvertiger
Golden
Member since Feb 2007
4500 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:19 pm to
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Those 3 teams don't win many games they aren't supposed to win either.


And I wonder what LSU fans would be saying about Miles had his team had their doors blown off by Utah in the Sugar Bowl?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:20 pm to
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And I wonder what LSU fans would be saying about Miles had his team had their doors blown off by Utah in the Sugar Bowl?

We'd be pissed! Miles is a GREAT bowl coach!

But it would be nice to be 9-0 right now instead of having our customary 2 losses.
Posted by Bayouphi
Mid City
Member since Sep 2003
718 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:25 pm to
Lets be honest. This is another Miles is not Saban thread.
I see your point but Miles has not lost to ULM, or UAB, or UTAH. Whats more embarrassing?
1. Losing on the road to a 3rd ranked SEC team while sustaining a number of injuries and questionable officiating.
or
2. losing to rent a win teams and laying an egg in your conferences historic Bowl game because the players could not be coached up to play down to Utahs level.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
Member since Feb 2008
10084 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:32 pm to
There are so many levels of stupidity in the OP's posts that I don't know where to begin.
Posted by jusanolebudman
BREEZY HILL
Member since Jan 2007
27 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:36 pm to
Jus a book of knowledge
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:37 pm to
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Lets be honest. This is another Miles is not Saban thread.
Posted by lsusportsman2
Member since Oct 2007
27232 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:39 pm to
Amazing that you did all this work for nothing
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83151 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:40 pm to
The OP must really hate himself right now. what a wasted life.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
29005 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:45 pm to
I get what you are saying. Some people are blind to any criticsm towards Miles. He's a good coach but no where near great. He's good at recruiting but in game decisions, clock management, team discipline, that falls on him.

If you can't get at least one of these issues solved then I dont know what to say to you. You get payed the big bucks for a reason, hell I love the fact that we only lose 2-3 games a year, but when I see the wins are so narrow against weaker opponents when you basically out match them at every skill position (Miss st, UGA) and last year when he was too stubborn to put JJ in and this year when he was too stubborn to insert his game changing players in at times when our moral is low in a game (he could have put Shep in the game with Lee and they could have threw the Bama D off guard with a RB pass, seriously, who would think he'd do that), It's ridiculous!

One last thing, We had a good chance of winning the Fla game despite bad QB play. Scott was able to run on the Florida D but after 13 carries for 53 yards, he just stopped using him. Didn't see Shep I believe the whole game, options to the short side when we know it has about a 23% success rate. Why after Scott went down we didn't see Keiland and Ridley run the ball. After that TD by Ridley we went 3 and out because he wanted to pass and shite. Scott put up 80-90+ yards on Bama, so why in the hell DO WE STOP RUNNNING!! It just doesn't make since.

I'm not implying to fire the guy, he has just got to do better, this shite pisses me off. The players don't piss me off, the lack of coaching them does.
Posted by Port City
Baton Rouge/Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
3668 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:53 pm to
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caljammer82


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In addition to NEVER winning a game as a real underdog


Georgia 2009?

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He has lost SEVERAL games where he was favored. UT 05, UGA 05, UK 07, Ark 07, Ole Miss 08, Ark 08


So he loses games he is supposed to lose and he also loses some games he isn't supposed to.

Shocker.

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His wins include a lot of close games which should not have been (LSU was heavy favorite but game was close). Every coach has these games; however, for Les they happen with a rare high frequency.


Tulane 07 - We won by 25 after a slow start
Vandy 09 - We won by 14 and I think the spread was 14.5
UW 09 - Spread was 16.5 and we won by 8 (With a garbage TD given up with no time remaining)
Troy 08 - Not going to try and defend this one
Bama 2007 - Road game against #17 country and spread was 7 - LSU won by 7
Ole Miss 2006 - It's a rivalry game for a reason
Arkansas 2005 - Hard to defend but we were playing our 9th game in 9 weeks, we all saw what happened the next week against UGA

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He only has two STATEMENT wins where he has blown out an above average opponent.
Ms St 07 and Va Tech 07


2006 - Beat a Kentucky(8-5) team 49-0
2009 - Beat Auburn (7-3) 31-10

And you include VT here in 2007 but not Miami and GT in the Peach Bowl or OSU in the NCG? Doesn't make any sense.

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As I already pointed out, if you lose 6 games where you were the favorite (games you were "supposed" to win) and win 0 games in which you were the underdog (games you were "supposed " to lose), then there is an inequity on the side of LOSING.


This just fails to look at so many factors.
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 5:03 pm
Posted by Port City
Baton Rouge/Shreveport
Member since Jan 2007
3668 posts
Posted on 11/12/09 at 4:57 pm to
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Datbayoubengal
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Why after Scott went down we didn't see Keiland and Ridley run the ball. After that TD by Ridley we went 3 and out because he wanted to pass and shite. Scott put up 80-90+ yards on Bama, so why in the hell DO WE STOP RUNNNING!! It just doesn't make since.


And if we would have ran the ball and gone 3 and out people would be on here blasting Miles for taking the playbook away from Crowton and forcing his run first philosophy.
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