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re: Miles DOES NOT Win Games He's Not Suppose to
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:56 am to caljammer82
Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:56 am to caljammer82
quote:You are a fricking idiot.
caljammer82
/end thread.
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Posted on 11/12/09 at 8:57 am to tiger88
quote:
However, you are questioning Miles too soon.
And there you have it.
The problem is, there is a contingent of LSU fans that have questioned him since day one. We're now in the middle of year 5, and after the blip of last season our program is poised to potentially win 10 games in the regular season and an 11th in January.
I feel for the Miles haters...I do. The guy has been a huge problem for them...what with all the winning, stellar recruiting and representing the university with class that he's done. It would have been much better for this group had Miles simply gone 0-12 in 2005 and proven their first impression of him correct. Instead, they are forced to IN YEAR FIVE to still try and nitpick reasons why the thrird winningest coach in the program's history has no clothes.
On the other hand, they do place themselves in the enviable position of being able to "enjoy" the program's success while still maintin the sky is falling. That's a helluva place to reside. That way, you can pump your chest out to friends and colleagues about how "your" team has won this and that, but also be in a position to declare you "told them so" if the wheels fall off. Well played, gents.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:00 am to LSU Patrick
i'm just going to counter argue. i like miles, because he doesn't lose games he is supposed to win. he doesn't lose OOC games. he doesn't lose bowl games. aside from 2008 he has an amazing home win record. put those together, and he will be a successful coach and give us a chance to win titles. i'm happy with that, even if he loses a few to other title contenders every once in a while.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:04 am to caljammer82
quote:
At least somebody agrees.
Nah dude, we all agree!!!
That you are king of the Rantards
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:04 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
GeauxTigerTM
And there it is. This really all goes back to the first impression of the hire back in 2005. Hell, I admit I was thrown by the decision. We all wanted the likes of Butch Davis, Spurrier, Gruden whatever. Because hey, we're LSU, we can get anyone we want, right?
But the bottom line is, I was open to trusting Skip and seeing what would happen. I have been OVERWHELMING happy, and I'm also happy to admit that I was wrong, and we got ourselves one hell of a coach.
I really don't know what these guys will do if we end up winning 11 games for the FOURTH time in his FIVE YEAR tenure this year.
Or if we win another NC in the next couple of years, which is very possible, thanks to this bafoon that so many of our "fans" loathe because they can't admit they were wrong 5 years ago.
I guess they'll always have the "Well, we would have won 3 straight titles in 2005-2007 if it wasn't for Miles" argument. If we're willing to "settle" for 2 titles in 4 years, then I guess we're just content to be mediocre.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:05 am to caljammer82
Interesting that an example, UGA 2009, that doesn't fit your thesis you dismiss, because IN YOUR OPINION, it was misclassified. This site has had many examples of games that Saban "should have won" but didn't. Coaching, is a complex activity consisting of recruiting, X's and O's, motivation, character development, personnel management, etc. etc. No coach can excel at all these, and we're lucky to have, and to have kept one who is good enough at several to produce winning seasons and an excellent bowl record. Give him a break.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:06 am to caljammer82
There are coaches who can consistently win games they aren't supposed to? Who are these Gods? Point them out to me.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:07 am to MightyYat
quote:I'm not disagreeing with you on anything you said. My point was that even without those problems we lose 2 or 3 games to the powerhouse teams in the SEC (right now that's Bama and Fla.). If we don't win those games, we don't win a NC or SECC, that's just fact.
What did you really expect last year with all the QB issues we had? And this year. Everyone predicted 9-3 or 10-2. Why you ask? We're still young at QB.
quote:I remain skeptical and unconvinced. I"m not going to trash Miles or call for his firing, but I don't agree we will be consistently an elite team with him at the helm.
We'll be a different team next year... book it.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:08 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:
caljammer82
Still waiting to a response about any of these games:
quote:
Aside from just calling you the dumbass that you deserve to be called, I'll actually play along here a bit.
You are cherry picking on your list of games we were "supposed" to win.
Pretty sure we were NOT favored to beat undefeated Bama on the road in 2005.
Also, I'm not sure we were favored at UT in 2006, and damn sure weren't favored at 10-1 Arkansas that same year.
Also, since you're throwing out this year's UGA game as an underdog since, in your opinion, we were "supposed" to win, I'm going to throw in Arizona State after a shitstorm to start the season on the road as a game we were not "supposed" to win. I can't see how that team had any expectations to be prepared after all they went through, and they won that "home game" IN ARIZONA.
Also, while we may have been slight favorites, I don't think anyone in the country considered VT or Florida in 2007 games we were "supposed" to win. Those were THE BIGGEST GAMES OF THE YEAR against two top teams both of which had a 50/50 shot to beat us, and we won them both, one of them in a goddamn bloodbath.
Also, saying that we were "supposed" to beat Tennessee in the SECCG after a heartbreaking loss that seemingly ended our national title hopes, with a QB making his FIRST start against an SEC opponent after losing our starter to injury is not giving NEARLY enough credit to our coach.
I'm done playing your game now. Now, I'm going to call you a dumbass like I should have from the beginning. Dumbass. GFY.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:22 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I remain skeptical and unconvinced. I"m not going to trash Miles or call for his firing, but I don't agree we will be consistently an elite team with him at the helm.
We're an elite team right now. We went toe-to-toe with two of the top teams in the country. Many in the national media think we are still a top 5 team. Why do think we didn't drop very much in the polls after the Bama loss? We need to finish the season with a 10-2 record and perhaps beat Ole Miss and/or Arky convincingly, get to a good bowl game, finish the year at 11-2 and get ready to bring the fricking fury next year.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:26 am to caljammer82
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I will say Les Miles isn't the next Phil Fulmer
Well at least we're clear about what fanbase we're aspiring to emulate.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:30 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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I remain skeptical and unconvinced.
Pretty much exactly what I was describing earlier. It would simply be so much easier if some of you guys that feel this way would simply be honest enough to admit that at no point will you ever be happy with Miles at the helm. That way we could end the lingering suspense of there being something the guy could do to win you over. There isn't really, and that's fine if you feel that way. But to suggest that there is is boderline dishonest.
When I read stuff like this in the face of the overwhelming amount of success LSU has had over the past 4 1/2 years, all I picture is this guy standing there trying not to enjoy the success because it would mean he'd have to admit he's been wrong.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:36 am to caljammer82
And of those 9 games you mentioned, LSU was in 7 of them with a chance to win.
The only 2 that they were out of completely were: the 2005 SECCG (after playaing a game for ELEVEN STRAIGHT WEEKS), and the 2008 Florida game.
All the other ones you mentioned we had a decent chance to win, some of them we SHOULD have won.
The only 2 that they were out of completely were: the 2005 SECCG (after playaing a game for ELEVEN STRAIGHT WEEKS), and the 2008 Florida game.
All the other ones you mentioned we had a decent chance to win, some of them we SHOULD have won.
This post was edited on 11/12/09 at 9:37 am
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:39 am to caljammer82
So I guess Urban Meyer sucks too since he was favored to beat Ole Piss and he lost.
You are a moron!
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:45 am to caljammer82
No. 9 LSU Beat No. 5 Arkansas
Posted on: Friday, 24 November 2006, 18:01 CST
Posted on: Friday, 24 November 2006, 18:01 CST
Posted on 11/12/09 at 9:54 am to MightyYat
quote:Like I said I'm not screaming from the rooftops to fire Les Miles, I've never been a big fan of his but there seem to be some systemic problems here with his teams that are undeniable. This causes the skepticism, this doesn't make me a retarded fan, I'm just not sold on his x's and o's coaching ability. I think you are looking at continuous 2-3 loss seasons for the next 3 years at best, with losses to the powerhouses year over year. That doesn't mean we don't have a good team and get a good bowl game every year, but it does mean we are probably on the outside looking in when it comes to championship games.
We're an elite team right now. We went toe-to-toe with two of the top teams in the country. Many in the national media think we are still a top 5 team. Why do think we didn't drop very much in the polls after the Bama loss? We need to finish the season with a 10-2 record and perhaps beat Ole Miss and/or Arky convincingly, get to a good bowl game, finish the year at 11-2 and get ready to bring the fricking fury next year.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 10:00 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I was happy in 2007 and defended him on this board for months while being trashed daily by the flamers.
t would simply be so much easier if some of you guys that feel this way would simply be honest enough to admit that at no point will you ever be happy with Miles at the helm.
quote:He could win me BACK over by becoming 2006-2007 Les, not the milquetoast 2008-2009 Les.
That way we could end the lingering suspense of there being something the guy could do to win you over.
quote:I've supported the program for 30+ years so frick you and your 'analyis' of me. I've 'enjoyed the success' by going to every bowl game (even the Chik Fil A bowl last year where NO ONE wanted us to be) and many other games throughout the seasons that I had to DRIVE to from Atlanta. So again, frick you and your fan analysis of me.
When I read stuff like this in the face of the overwhelming amount of success LSU has had over the past 4 1/2 years, all I picture is this guy standing there trying not to enjoy the success
quote:I would be happy to admit that I am "wrong" about Les not being a good game manager, x's and o's coach, and Public relations representative of the university. So far, I've seen nothing to change my mind.
because it would mean he'd have to admit he's been wrong.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 10:14 am to caljammer82
quote:
Yeah we won the Nat'l Champ, but we were suppose to win because we were loaded yet we almost gave that chance away.
Step away from the bong. Put the mushrooms down. And leave. Forever.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 10:18 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:
I was happy in 2007 and defended him on this board for months while being trashed daily by the flamers.
Sorry to hear you've gone crazy since then.
quote:
He could win me BACK over by becoming 2006-2007 Les, not the milquetoast 2008-2009 Les.
He clearly fixed the problems most associated with the 2008 team by booting the co-DC's to the curb, and I'd say that decision and his subsequent hire have worked out...wouldn't you? You'll have to be more specific when you decribe him as milquetoast. In what way?
quote:
I've supported the program for 30+ years so frick you and your 'analyis' of me. I've 'enjoyed the success' by going to every bowl game (even the Chik Fil A bowl last year where NO ONE wanted us to be) and many other games throughout the seasons that I had to DRIVE to from Atlanta. So again, frick you and your fan analysis of me.
That sure is a whole lot of potty mouth for simply suggesting that you seem to be a guy that is unhappy with success. Congrats on the drive, btw.
quote:
I would be happy to admit that I am "wrong" about Les not being a good game manager, x's and o's coach, and Public relations representative of the university. So far, I've seen nothing to change my mind.
Except for the whole NC thingy, and the way most in the press think he's a good guy and good interview and someone who's done nothing to dishonor the program in any way. That plus unprecedented success...I can see why you're unhappy.
Posted on 11/12/09 at 10:33 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:Like I said, all of my points are reflective of AFTER 2007, so quit bringing up the NC and all of that, I get it. I never said he dishonored anything.
Except for the whole NC thingy, and the way most in the press think he's a good guy and good interview and someone who's done nothing to dishonor the program in any way
quote:I'm not unhappy, quit putting words in my mouth. Although I can see you are pretty good at that, trying to shape your arguments with words I did not say. I'm concerned, I'm not unhappy.
.I can see why you're unhappy.
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