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re: Miles and Cam better not let these guys down.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:01 am to Fratigerguy
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:01 am to Fratigerguy
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Rob, there are guys on here who have outright said that they would rather LSU lose every game than go undefeated because it would mean we get to fire miles
Link causes I've been on here a lot. Never seen that. Not saying I couldn't have missed it, but never seen it.
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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so since 2004, 2 Bama teams right outside of the top half won the title and the rest were in the top half
also when you take into consideration that the ONLY
teams to finish out the top 50 were Bama it only reinforces the need for a top level passing attack. Bama is the only team that has the talent level to win regardless of what they do on offense. We, and nobody else either, can match Bamas talent level and depth. If we hope to win another NC any time soon, we are going to need to learn how to develop a passing attack.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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this is a nice straw man to try to change the argument
No it isn't. Total yards per game considering teams are playing a different number of games is a better analytic stat than just total yards overall
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:04 am to ShortyRob
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Link causes I've been on here a lot. Never seen that. Not saying I couldn't have missed it, but never seen it.
Cptbengal, nuts4lsu, tigernatl to name a few
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:04 am to BeeFense5
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No it isn't
no
taking what i said and then applying it to another argument as if i said it that way is the definition of a straw man
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Total yards per game considering teams are playing a different number of games is a better analytic stat than just total yards overall
that's great. if you want to make a comment about yards/game feel free to do so. it has nothing to do with my comment
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:05 am to Fratigerguy
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Well, using total passing is just stupid, because those teams will have played at least an extra game due to conference championship games. Obviously, you erred and are not trying to manipulate stats to prove a point that you were wrong in, are you?
OK. Yards per game.
LSU working back from 2015
105th
116th
46th
94th
106th
107th
97th
71st
Miles is to the forward pass what Kim K is to modesty.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:07 am to SlowFlowPro
Ok then I guess I don't understand what your argument is then.
I also don't understand some of yall's absolute obsession with passing either. The passing game needs to improve because we aren't hitting open receivers but I would hate to see lsu lose the ground and pound physical mentality.
I also don't understand some of yall's absolute obsession with passing either. The passing game needs to improve because we aren't hitting open receivers but I would hate to see lsu lose the ground and pound physical mentality.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:07 am to ShortyRob
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LSU working back from 2015
105th
116th
46th
94th
106th
107th
97th
71st
Miles is to the forward pass what Kim K is to modesty.
Let's put it this way.
There isn't an O/C in football who, if he had the above record, could even HOPE to land a major job as an OC.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:09 am to BeeFense5
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Ok then I guess I don't understand what your argument is then.
it's simple. if we want to become elite, our total passing yards needs to move into the top half of the NCAA
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I also don't understand some of yall's absolute obsession with passing either.
think of it as a necessary evil that stats show is important (to a degree. you don't have to be elite in passing)
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but I would hate to see lsu lose the ground and pound physical mentality.
even if it means more wins?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:10 am to BeeFense5
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I also don't understand some of yall's absolute obsession with passing either
This is a straw man. I actually can't stand one dimensional passing offenses either and given a choice, prefer a team that has a solid running game.
But you fricking can't field teams in major college football that are routinely ranking 100+ in passing and need nothing but NFL stars to manage to rank in the top 50.
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I would hate to see lsu lose the ground and pound physical mentality.
I've routinely said I would hate to lose ground and pound. But Miles is fricking pathological about it.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:10 am to ShortyRob
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There isn't an O/C in football who, if he had the above record, could even HOPE to land a major job as an OC.
Rushing Yards Per Game
7th
25th
29th
52nd
22nd
27th
90th
43rd
Does the passing game need to improve? Obviously. Do we need to be in the Top 40 in total passing yards with our defense and running game? Absolutely not.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:12 am to ShortyRob
I mean shite guys. You crapped on the total yards argument and asked for ypg. Well, guess what, that shite made us look WORSE!
6 of 8 years outside the top 90 in passing yards per game?
Da fuq. That's insane.
6 of 8 years outside the top 90 in passing yards per game?
Da fuq. That's insane.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Oh wow. You know exactly what you were trying to say. I proved that you didn't know what you were talking about, so now you are trying to say you intended to compare the raw stats of a team who plays 15 games vs a team who plays 13 (or 12 in LSUs case) games.
To be quite honest, to probably almost every single person following this thread, even those who hold your exact same feelings toward the offense, you are making yourself look like a fool. You are now trying to use the "I meant they would be top half because they would get more games and have more attempts in" argument. I have never seen that argument used by one person....ever. I would have thought that after 300k posts you would be more of a challenge. Destroying your arguments is probably the easiest thing I've done on this board. Hell, Cpt Bengal was more of a challenge.
To be quite honest, to probably almost every single person following this thread, even those who hold your exact same feelings toward the offense, you are making yourself look like a fool. You are now trying to use the "I meant they would be top half because they would get more games and have more attempts in" argument. I have never seen that argument used by one person....ever. I would have thought that after 300k posts you would be more of a challenge. Destroying your arguments is probably the easiest thing I've done on this board. Hell, Cpt Bengal was more of a challenge.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:18 am to chilge1
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Do we need to be in the Top 40 in total passing yards
Top 40? TOP 40!
We'd all piss our drawers if we average 60th in the next 8 years.
No matter what your per game average is, rushing or passing.......if the other side of the equation is routinely 90th or worse, any half decent defense is gonna shut your arse down.
This is why, pretty much every year, people like me watch us early and go...........ruh roh.......while people like you tell us we're crazy for thinking we need to work the passing offense rather than just stampede bad teams.
You guys call it "bitching about wins" but, um, look at the last 8 years. Tell me there's been no merit to those observations. frick. Even YOU acknowledge there has been merit after the fact.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:18 am to ShortyRob
Rob, no one is suggesting the passing game doesn't need improvement. The statement that we will never win anything so long as our passing yards are in the bottom half of the NCAA was proven to be false more times than not. That is all.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:19 am to Fratigerguy
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Oh wow. You know exactly what you were trying to say. I proved that you didn't know what you were talking about, so now you are trying to say you intended to compare the raw stats of a team who plays 15 games vs a team who plays 13 (or 12 in LSUs case) games.
I posted the passing yards per game rankings. It turns out, those were WORSE.
So, I mean.......there's that.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:22 am to Fratigerguy
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You know exactly what you were trying to say. I proved that you didn't know what you were talking about,
by using a different argument you proved my argument was wrong
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:23 am to Fratigerguy
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Rob, no one is suggesting the passing game doesn't need improvement. The statement that we will never win anything so long as our passing yards are in the bottom half of the NCAA was proven to be false more times than not. That is all.
Well Bully for you. You managed to prove that if we can manage to have a passing offense 24 slots better than our average over the last 8 years and better than all but 1 of our last years, THEN, we can hope to be as good as the WORST passing offense to reach the top of those you listed.
So yeah, it turns out, the negas were being overly optimistic in mentioning top half.
Show me a successful team in ANY year, that has an 8 year track record averaging 93rd in passing yards per game.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:23 am to Fratigerguy
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The statement that we will never win anything so long as our passing yards are in the bottom half of the NCAA was proven to be false more times than not.
what?
i listed the total passing rankings of every title team since 2004 and only 2 were outside the top half (and both were close)
Posted on 1/10/16 at 11:37 am to chilge1
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Rushing Yards Per Game 7th 25th 29th 52nd 22nd 27th 90th 43rd
so you want LSU to just depend on the running game. The one aspect of our offense that is strong has only finished in the top 20 one time in the last 8 years. We're trying to be a top 10 team here with a shot at the NC. That's not very impressive stats you posted. Really I'm surprised at how bad they are. Thought we would rank higher.
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