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re: Miles and Cam better not let these guys down.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:46 pm to chilge1
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:46 pm to chilge1
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Florida State is the only team in the last 10 years that has won a national championship with a passing attack that ranked above 50th in total yardage
now, that is a damn interesting point...
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:47 pm to Fratigerguy
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You keep using it as though we are the ones presenting a distorted view. Yet, you consistently want to compare the total stats of a team who has played 14 games vs a team who has played
you literally have no idea what a straw man argument is and you just displayed it in real time
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Let me ask you this way....using your standard of measure...if Alabama gives up 400 yards of offense in the national championship game, LSU will have a better defense this year, right? Alabama will have given up more yards this season.
again, straw man in full effect
where did i bring up superlatives or a better/best comparison?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:48 pm to chilge1
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Because now I know that Florida State is the only team in the last 10 years that has won a national championship with a passing attack that ranked above 50th in total yardage.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:48 pm to Choctaw
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they don't care about facts...it's all emotion. they're the football version of a social justice warrior
wut
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Total yardage for a passing attack, but nice try.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:50 pm to chilge1
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Total yardage for a passing attack, but nice try.
again,
i posted total yardage earlier
you posted yards/game
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you posted yards/game
Why the frick would I post anything else?
ETA: Are you insinuating that the solution to fixing LSU's passing game is to play more games than everyone else?
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:52 pm to chilge1
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2015 - Oklahoma (17), Clemson (26), Michigan State (55), Alabama (68) 2014 - Oregon (10), Florida State (14), Ohio State (52), Alabama (29) 2013 - Florida State (14), Auburn (108) 2012 - Alabama (76), Notre Dame (72) 2011 - LSU (106), Alabama (69) 2010 - Auburn (66), Oregon (39) 2009 - Alabama (92), Texas (22) 2008 - Oklahoma (3), Florida (61)
well take Alabama out of those rankings due to they are the only team in college football that could run every down if they wanted to and still win it all.
Also didn't Auburn run a so-called "GIMMICKY" spread offense (which I doubt you would want LSU to run)? So take them out as well then look at what you are left with
Oklahoma (17), Clemson (26), Michigan state (55), Oregon (10), Florida St (14), Ohio st (52), Florida St. (14), Notre Dame (72), LSU (106), Oregon (39), Texas (22), Oklahoma (3), Florida (61)
3 great passing attacks, 4 good passing attacks, 1 bad passing offense (notre dame 72 got crushed in NC game) and 1 terrible passing offense (LSU 106 got crushed in NC game).
Posted on 1/10/16 at 12:52 pm to chilge1
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Why the frick would I post anything else?
i don't care that you posted those rankings, but you can't use yards/game as a measure of "total yards"
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Are you insinuating that the solution to fixing LSU's passing game is to play more games than everyone else?
if we win a title we will play more games than everyone else (except 1 team possibly), but to answer your question: no?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:04 pm to boxcar willie
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Oklahoma (17), Clemson (26), Michigan state (55), Oregon (10), Florida St (14), Ohio st (52), Florida St. (14), Notre Dame (72), LSU (106), Oregon (39), Texas (22), Oklahoma (3), Florida (61)
Okay, now let's take out the teams that didn't even play in a NC game.
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Clemson (26) TBD
Oregon (10) Scored 20 Pts in a loss
Ohio st (52) National Champions
Florida St. (14) National Champions
Notre Dame (72) Scored 14 Pts in a loss
LSU (106) Scored 0 Pts in a loss
Oregon (39) Scored 19 Pts in a loss
Texas (22) Scored 21 Pts in a loss
Oklahoma (3) Scored 14 Pts in a loss
Florida (61) National Champions
So that still leaves you with nothing to hang your hat on but FSU in 2013.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:20 pm to chilge1
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So that still leaves you with nothing to hang your hat on but FSU in 2013.
well at least they got there. Bad luck for some of them to have to play Alabama or Auburn with their spread offense.
What is the overall point that you are trying to make? That we don't need a much better passing offense. That a much better passing offense won't give us a better chance of making it to the playoffs or winning a NC?
I believe that a good passing attack will improve our running game as well as our overall offense and give us a much better shot at beating Alabama and winning the SEC west and possibly a NC. You don't agree with that?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:24 pm to boxcar willie
OUr offense leaves a lot to be desired. It's not just LSU fans saying that but that is the national perception as well. Also probably doesn't help us in trying to lure a quality QB to come here either. Some one posted yesterday that Franks said one of the two reasons he decommitted from LSu and committed to Florida is that he didn't want to just be handing off the ball.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you literally have no idea what a straw man argument is and you just displayed it in real time
Is this real life?
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again, straw man in full effect
where did i bring up superlatives or a better/best comparison?
Again, you won't answer the questions. You brought it up by saying we had to finish in the top half of the NCAA to win a championship. Thus, saying the team would be good enough to win.
It isn't straw man pecker head. You simply don't know what the term means. For instance, if I had said that because you are saying we should pass more, that you actually mean we should not run the ball and get rid of LF, THAT would be a straw man.
Now, I'm asking if you use the same standard for every stat, or if you just want to cherry pick the total passing yardage stats after I proved you don't have a very high football IQ. Please tell us if you also use total yardage stats for defense, rushers, etc. Why is it OK to use total stats for only one method of moving the ball? Why do you want to compare total stats of a team with 15 games played vs a team with 12 games played? Is that the best way to compare teams?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 1:33 pm to boxcar willie
I'm saying that the extent to which we need to improve in the passing game isn't near what SFP and others are making it out to be. Without boring you with all of the numbers, I just ran some calculations. This is what Brandon Harris's stat line for 2015 would have been if he put up the same #s in the McNeese game as his season average:
161/300 (54%) 2345 yards 18 TDs (total) 6 INT
If Brandon Harris can get his completion percentage up to 61%, this would be his stat line based on those numbers in 2016:
201/330 (61%) 2920 yards 20 TDs 6 INT
Now you tell me that we can't beat Alabama and win the SEC with those numbers from our quarterback and Leonard Fournette.
161/300 (54%) 2345 yards 18 TDs (total) 6 INT
If Brandon Harris can get his completion percentage up to 61%, this would be his stat line based on those numbers in 2016:
201/330 (61%) 2920 yards 20 TDs 6 INT
Now you tell me that we can't beat Alabama and win the SEC with those numbers from our quarterback and Leonard Fournette.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:37 pm to chilge1
quote:Our average over that last 8 years is 93rd in passing yards per game with four 100+ finishes.
So that still leaves you with nothing to hang your hat on but FSU in 2013
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:39 pm to chilge1
quote:You do realize that you or someone like you made that exact same argument last year regarding AJ.
161/300 (54%) 2345 yards 18 TDs (total) 6 INT
If Brandon Harris can get his completion percentage up to 61%, this would be his stat line based on those numbers in 2016:
201/330 (61%) 2920 yards 20 TDs 6 INT
Now you tell me that we can't beat Alabama and win the SEC with those numbers from our quarterback and Leonard Fournette.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 2:52 pm to ShortyRob
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You do realize that you or someone like you made that exact same argument last year regarding AJ.
What difference does that make? We'll never know what sort of improvement AJ would have made this year because he didn't take a single snap at QB. And we got much better QB play out of the position regardless.
Posted on 1/10/16 at 3:04 pm to chilge1
quote:The point was that last year, people said that the type numbers we got from BH this year would be all it would take. They were wrong.
What difference does that make? We'll never know what sort of improvement AJ would have made this year because he didn't take a single snap at QB. And we got much better QB play out of the position regardless
Posted on 1/10/16 at 3:12 pm to ShortyRob
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The point was that last year, people said that the type numbers we got from BH this year would be all it would take. They were wrong.
So?
Posted on 1/10/16 at 3:53 pm to BeeFense5
quote:So?
So
Um. So, the next year syndrome is fairly useless. 8 straight years where in 6, we were 90+ and in 4 we were 100+
Basically, we aren't even in the same conversation as the teams listed as competing for championships with poor passing games.
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