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re: McKay explains why there is no need to melt about the DL recruiting
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:40 pm to Sir Fury
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:40 pm to Sir Fury
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Fair enough. But theres a huge difference between wanting those types of players at every position, as opposed to wanting every player we sign to be those players. Again, only a select few make those lists. There are a lot of teams with a lot of players. The percentage of players that makes those list are very very small.
It’s more illustrative than a requirement.
You can do the same thing with first rounders.
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Thats just a bunch of jibberish. There are more factors than just star rating. How many NFL hall of famers were 5* players coming out of high school vs 3* or 4*? Some guys are late bloomers. Maybe they need time to grow into their body, need better coaching, etc. But there are more factors than just star rating.
Again you’re not wrong.
Some 3* are amazing and hall of famers.
MOST are not. Every player is a gamble, 5-* are a much better gamble.
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Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:44 pm to bencoleman
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What's the difference between a 5 star freshman and a 3 star junior. real answer probably not much. I know that there's more to it but it's when they'll be able to comp
Thats just not true.
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LSU has had plenty of 3 star players that have been great players. To dismiss a group of players simply because they're 3 Stars is ridiculous.
Well sure there ate dimaonds in the rough but recruiting sites are pretty accurate for the most part.
There are 2500 kids every year that get recruited. Recruiting sites pick 30-35 of those to be 5 star players and 49 % of them get drafted into the nfl. Thats pretty outstanding. You pick 30-35 oit of 2500 and his on 50%?
There has never been a team full of 3 star seniors that win titles.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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There has never been a team full of 3 star seniors that win titles
You always have to post something that is totally outrageous. You were doing good with the post. I was nodding along with it until you jumped the shark.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:50 pm to bencoleman
Can you prove him wrong? Like find a team with 50% 3* starters who won a NC?
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:51 pm to bulletprooftiger
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I don't know how you can say that when LSU offered him and gave him an official. LINK
He might not have been a priority, and that may be why he went to Texas, but he is certainly someone who LSU wants on its roster.
I don't disagree that he's a reasonable roster addition. I'm saying if he's viewed as if he just signed with us last year and is coming off his redshirt I don't think he'd be viewed as a big deal.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:52 pm to mattchewbocca
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But can Bama start all of them at the same time?
They can rotate them in throughout the course of a game. That's really how they beat people, rolling out starter quality athletes late in games vs other team's backups. Also helps a ton with injury attrition.
You notice how we have one injury in a unit, then all of the sudden people say "wait until next year?" Bama doesn't worry about that because of their depth.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:53 pm to bencoleman
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You always have to post something that is totally outrageous. You were doing good with the post. I was nodding along with it until you jumped the shark.
Please link me to these teams without bluechip 4 and 5 star players that have won a national title.
Oklahoma,usc,texas,bama,fsu,florida,Clemson all had blue chip athletes and are some of the most talented teams in cfb the year's they won.
Link to a single one of those teams that wasnt flush with nfl talent.
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:54 pm to Cs
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No one is worried about next year.
It won't be until 2020 when the depth issues start to manifest.
Exactly. No one is worried about the d-line in 2019. Recruiting is almost never about the following season. Alabama brings in 5 stars every year and they don't play but they are ready to step in when the previous 5 star leaves. Look at our depth chart for 2020:
NT
Tyler Shelvin (4th year, #54)
Siaki Ika (2nd year, #138)
Dominic Livingston (3rd year, #527)
DE
Glen Logan (5th year, #156)
Neil Farrell (4th year, #375)
Justin Thomas (4th year, #513)
Davin Cotton (3rd year, #284)
Nelson Jenkins (3rd year, #519)
Joseph Evans (2nd year, #669)
Shelvin and Logan will probably be gone too. And if they are still here then that means they probably aren't NFL players which isn't really what we want anyway. 2020 DL recruiting needs to be monstrous-- but even that won't help the 2020 depth chart.
We better hope that every one of those 3/low 4 star recruits vastly outplays their recruiting ranking. That's not a very favorable position to be in.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:54 pm to CP3LSU25
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Bama signed 8 elite DL in 2019. We signed 1.
2020 depth at DL will be bad.
We signed 1 DL in 2018. Bama signed a bunch again.
Bama had to sign more DL. They've lost more DL to graduation and the NFL the last 2 years and they really don't have quality depth. Watch how many 2017 and 2018 signees transfer or get processed. And WDE's are basically LB's - not DL's.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:56 pm to Goldrush25
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They can rotate them in throughout the course of a game. That's really how they beat people, rolling out starter quality athletes late in games vs other team's backups. Also helps a ton with injury attrition.
You notice how we have one injury in a unit, then all of the sudden people say "wait until next year?" Bama doesn't worry about that because of their depth.
Exactly.
The gap between their 1's and 2's is far smaller than every other team in cfb.
I firmly believe Bama's 2nd team could finish in the top 15.
Their qb gets hurt, they bring in the previous year's sec offensive player of the year.
In 2015 they were able to play 2 nts on obvious run downs and then bring in 2 other 5 star dts on passing downs.
Most cfb teams struggle to have a real 0 technique and bama had 2.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:58 pm to tigerskin
Defensive line is like Basketball, you need 4 inside players and 4 outside players if you want to compete for a championship.
4 forwards in basketball is equal to 4 defensive tackles in football.
4 guards in basketball is equal to 4 defensive ends in football.
LSU basketball right now had 4 forwards and 4 guards who can play.
will LSU football have 4 defensive tackles and 4 defensive ends who can play?
4 forwards in basketball is equal to 4 defensive tackles in football.
4 guards in basketball is equal to 4 defensive ends in football.
LSU basketball right now had 4 forwards and 4 guards who can play.
will LSU football have 4 defensive tackles and 4 defensive ends who can play?
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:58 pm to SammyTiger
Clemson is rarely in the top 10 in recruiting and isn't loaded with 5* talent but they seem to do alright. LSU negatigers are too obsessed with *s. How in the world can anybody say a kid in Amite, La. is the best defensive tackle in the country when there are thousands of them in high school?
Posted on 2/7/19 at 4:59 pm to SammyTiger
89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. One of the top 10% players in the nation. This player will develop into a reliable starter for his college team and is among the best players in his region of the country. Many three-stars have significant pro potential
247s definition of a 3 star.
247s definition of a 3 star.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Can you prove him wrong?
So he can make any outrageous and off the wall comment and the burden of proof is on me to prove him wrong. It doesn't work that way.
I'll just address it like this. Until he proves it I'll continue to think that it's an outlandish and ridiculous statement akin to saying that he's booked a flight to Mars for his spring break.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:02 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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How far off were those numbers in 16 and 17 when you claim the roster was “poorly constructed”?
the numbers were fine, the top end talent wasn't. We have the luxury of hindsight to judge that.
I am not into writing off kids that haven't even played yet, but go for it if that is your prerogative
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:03 pm to oldtimefootball
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Clemson is rarely in the top 10 in recruiting and isn't loaded with 5* talent but they seem to do alrig
If by rarely you mean 3 of the last 4 years in the top 10 then sure.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:04 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
2020 starting D line should look like this
Logan. Shelvin. Farrel. We will see how
The rest of the guys develop this year,but the starting line up should be pretty salty
Logan. Shelvin. Farrel. We will see how
The rest of the guys develop this year,but the starting line up should be pretty salty
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:04 pm to tigerskin
He's 100% right about recruiting Mississippi. Draw a line from Vicksburg to Pascagoula. LSU should never offer anyone from north or east of that line.
Posted on 2/7/19 at 5:05 pm to bencoleman
I think He’s right though.
It’s not outlandish to say you can’t build your team on third tier talent and hope to win.
Talented teams win championships, and this isn’t like Basketball where there aren’t 4th year 5*s out there
It’s not outlandish to say you can’t build your team on third tier talent and hope to win.
Talented teams win championships, and this isn’t like Basketball where there aren’t 4th year 5*s out there
This post was edited on 2/7/19 at 5:08 pm
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