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LSU's softball misses out on officiating nightmare at WCWS
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:59 pm
LSU's softball team missed out by just a hair to go to Oklahoma for the WCWS. Florida State had vengeance on their mind, after having LSU beat them, in Tallahassee, at the Super Regional a year ago.
Though LSU suffered some setbacks that no doubt cost them the Super Regional series, they were up to the task of beating Florida State.
Though the season ended early for LSU, Florida State moved on to Oklahoma City, and played part in one of the worst WCWS events in recent memory. For anyone who knows anything about softball, it was obvious that this year's WCWS quickly became an OFFICIATING NIGHTMARE.
After Florida State beat UCLA, and after seeing Lilly and Mack from Oregon break the new batter's box rule, it became obvous that this year's officiating crew was not going to call out batters for stepping outside of the box, as per the new rule.
One of Klavemann's hits, yesterday, was shown several times on replay, and you could see the umpire looking right down at Klavemann's foot, as it was almost touching the plate. No call was made.
Is the rule in effect, or not?
And all that talk about being strict on the pitchers at the WCWS, how many times did you see that called?
Ball and strike calling behind the plate was either extremely lopsided to the left-handed batters, or very tiny. It was incosistent at times. Florida was cheated, especially with Lorenz, Dewitt, and Kvistad's last at bat. Something was very wrong there. Dewitt, possibly the best in the country at working at pitcher, knows her strike zone, and she knew when she got called out that they were not going to win that game.
Tim Walton complained just an inning earlier about the incosistency in the plate umpire's strike zone, and he was probably still mad, as anyone would be, when the umpire missed Wheaton tagging out a runner that attemped to score on a foul ball and a perfect throw from Reynoso.
Coaching decisions had us scratching our head. I have the utmost respect for Coach Perez at UCLA, but I think she will look back on this and maybe tell herself she should have managed her pitchers better. Garcia, one of the best players in the country, and a great, great pitcher, was worn out by the time the second game with Florida State had started. I felt really bad for Garcia.
In the sixth inning, as UCLA had some momentum going with a home run, and two runners on base, Perez put her heavy-set freshman up to batm with one out, and she hit the ball right to Warren, who touched third base and easily threw out the pinch-hitter running to first. Inning over. A left-handed pinch-hitter may have been a better idea.
Florida State's first game with UCLA was aa great game, and Florida State was ahead. Pulling King out and putting Hanson in proved to be disastrous, and Florida State ended up losing. To Hanson's credit, her outings after that were much, much better.
Though many of us LSU fans truly believed LSU could beat Florida State, after watching the two FSU/ UCLA games, I don't think LSU could ever play on that level, with the youth we have.
People are saying that, unless Gasso gets some miracle transfer, they may win their conference, but they won't have the pitching to challenge the other seven teams that make it to the WCWS.
Pitching is key. King does not get the credit she deserves. She is a solid and consistent pitcher.
I dont know what kind of offense LSU will have next year, but Gorsuch, Sunseri, Wickersham and Kilponen will be probably the best pitching crew in the SEC. Barnhill has been taken down by scrutiny over the legality of her pitching.
The chances of LSU making it to Oklahoma next year for the WCWS are better than what they were this year, not because LSU would be a better team, but because the stud pitchers that the best teams have are gone. King, Hanson, Macha, Ocasio, Parker and Lowary, and Gray from Georgia are all gone.
We had four good pitchers last year, and we are going to have four good ones this year....and two years from now, LSU won't have to worry about depending on one pitcher, or two, and it makes all the difference in the world, just ask Coach Perez.
Though LSU suffered some setbacks that no doubt cost them the Super Regional series, they were up to the task of beating Florida State.
Though the season ended early for LSU, Florida State moved on to Oklahoma City, and played part in one of the worst WCWS events in recent memory. For anyone who knows anything about softball, it was obvious that this year's WCWS quickly became an OFFICIATING NIGHTMARE.
After Florida State beat UCLA, and after seeing Lilly and Mack from Oregon break the new batter's box rule, it became obvous that this year's officiating crew was not going to call out batters for stepping outside of the box, as per the new rule.
One of Klavemann's hits, yesterday, was shown several times on replay, and you could see the umpire looking right down at Klavemann's foot, as it was almost touching the plate. No call was made.
Is the rule in effect, or not?
And all that talk about being strict on the pitchers at the WCWS, how many times did you see that called?
Ball and strike calling behind the plate was either extremely lopsided to the left-handed batters, or very tiny. It was incosistent at times. Florida was cheated, especially with Lorenz, Dewitt, and Kvistad's last at bat. Something was very wrong there. Dewitt, possibly the best in the country at working at pitcher, knows her strike zone, and she knew when she got called out that they were not going to win that game.
Tim Walton complained just an inning earlier about the incosistency in the plate umpire's strike zone, and he was probably still mad, as anyone would be, when the umpire missed Wheaton tagging out a runner that attemped to score on a foul ball and a perfect throw from Reynoso.
Coaching decisions had us scratching our head. I have the utmost respect for Coach Perez at UCLA, but I think she will look back on this and maybe tell herself she should have managed her pitchers better. Garcia, one of the best players in the country, and a great, great pitcher, was worn out by the time the second game with Florida State had started. I felt really bad for Garcia.
In the sixth inning, as UCLA had some momentum going with a home run, and two runners on base, Perez put her heavy-set freshman up to batm with one out, and she hit the ball right to Warren, who touched third base and easily threw out the pinch-hitter running to first. Inning over. A left-handed pinch-hitter may have been a better idea.
Florida State's first game with UCLA was aa great game, and Florida State was ahead. Pulling King out and putting Hanson in proved to be disastrous, and Florida State ended up losing. To Hanson's credit, her outings after that were much, much better.
Though many of us LSU fans truly believed LSU could beat Florida State, after watching the two FSU/ UCLA games, I don't think LSU could ever play on that level, with the youth we have.
People are saying that, unless Gasso gets some miracle transfer, they may win their conference, but they won't have the pitching to challenge the other seven teams that make it to the WCWS.
Pitching is key. King does not get the credit she deserves. She is a solid and consistent pitcher.
I dont know what kind of offense LSU will have next year, but Gorsuch, Sunseri, Wickersham and Kilponen will be probably the best pitching crew in the SEC. Barnhill has been taken down by scrutiny over the legality of her pitching.
The chances of LSU making it to Oklahoma next year for the WCWS are better than what they were this year, not because LSU would be a better team, but because the stud pitchers that the best teams have are gone. King, Hanson, Macha, Ocasio, Parker and Lowary, and Gray from Georgia are all gone.
We had four good pitchers last year, and we are going to have four good ones this year....and two years from now, LSU won't have to worry about depending on one pitcher, or two, and it makes all the difference in the world, just ask Coach Perez.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 4:43 pm
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:02 pm to Bhs1983
ok
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:05 pm to Pistols Firing 12
Don't really care especially since Florida got screwed on this
The one thing I hate is when everything changes on the biggest stage - and the same thing happens in Omaha.
The one thing I hate is when everything changes on the biggest stage - and the same thing happens in Omaha.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:06 pm to Bhs1983
I don’t watch softball but
seems like a good thing. Who wants trifling little rules to dictate a game?
Then again, I don’t watch softball so I don’t know what I’m talking about.
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it became obvous that this year's officiating crew was not going to call out batters for stepping outside of the box, as per the new rule.
seems like a good thing. Who wants trifling little rules to dictate a game?
Then again, I don’t watch softball so I don’t know what I’m talking about.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:08 pm to Bhs1983
Translation... women umps suck
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:10 pm to Pistols Firing 12
Softball umpiring has been a disaster these last few years and it seems to continue to get worse.
I think the worst part is after all the shite that has gone down there is still no instant replay!
They do not call the out of the box rule consistently. Klaevemann from FSU is the worst of them all.
The obstruction rule is horrible as well.
I think the worst part is after all the shite that has gone down there is still no instant replay!
They do not call the out of the box rule consistently. Klaevemann from FSU is the worst of them all.
The obstruction rule is horrible as well.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:12 pm to Bhs1983
why did lsu agree to play 2 games in 1 day. lsu make the worst call in softball this year by doing that.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:20 pm to JETigER
Both teams had no choice with the tropical storm coming in. Sunday was not playable
Posted on 6/4/18 at 1:33 pm to GeeOH
Some of the male umpires are horrible too.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:17 pm to Bhs1983
While watching, I was amazed at the hitting of some of the players. You say pitching is key and I don't disagree but it seems like the teams that advanced had great offensive hitters who are patient and work the pitcher for the 1 ball they can drive. I think this is where LSU has suffered. We don't have enough hitters and we do a lot of first pitch swinging. With the loss of the 2 All American pitchers next year, I'm sure our pitching will fall off but we need players who can hit.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:28 pm to lsursb
I am impressed with the level of these freshman hitters in the World Series but yea the offense needs to be addressed
If a player isn't producing enough we need to put someone out there for a few games and see how they do. If that doesn't work I am fine with going back to what we did before.
The one incoming freshman hitter I feel safe to say has shown she can compete with elite talent in this class is Clark but where do you fit her and Sunseri in the lineup? I hope we try to put the best hitters in the lineup and try to make it work on defense.
If a player isn't producing enough we need to put someone out there for a few games and see how they do. If that doesn't work I am fine with going back to what we did before.
The one incoming freshman hitter I feel safe to say has shown she can compete with elite talent in this class is Clark but where do you fit her and Sunseri in the lineup? I hope we try to put the best hitters in the lineup and try to make it work on defense.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:31 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:I was there waiting to fly out on Sunday. There was no way we would have played on Sunday..
Both teams had no choice with the tropical storm coming in. Sunday was not playable
Also, we were all over the umpires in Tallahassee concerning the slapper being out of the box. Nothing ever happened... why have a rule of you won't call it.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:33 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:32 pm to Tigerbait357
I agree with the lineup leaning toward the offensive side and making defensive players out of the best hitters. Its not just getting the girls who can hit in the lineup, its also about playing, as much as you can, everybody else.
Did you notice UCLA's pinch hitters all had a good number of at-bats.....? Same with Tennessee, Florida State and others. You cant always start and play for the full game a player that is only slightly better than the backup.
Thornhill deserves to be out there somewhere.
Yall start talking about Sanchez from Missouri transferring over and she is an All-American level player, but I dont know that Beth would sit Shemiah and put Amanda in the starting lineup instead.
Oklahoma is a fascinating team. Stellar defense, and they can all hit.
I do understand Walton keeping Dewitt, Lorenz, and Kvistad in every game, every inning, but you cant be that way across the board. Walton shuffles his outfielders around, as Ralph Weekly does, and they all get enough experience to where they are not lost when the big games in OKlahoma City start.
Dewitt started her freshman year in left field, played second for her sophomore and junior year, and moved to third for her senior year. They got her out on the field because the kid can hit.
Did you notice UCLA's pinch hitters all had a good number of at-bats.....? Same with Tennessee, Florida State and others. You cant always start and play for the full game a player that is only slightly better than the backup.
Thornhill deserves to be out there somewhere.
Yall start talking about Sanchez from Missouri transferring over and she is an All-American level player, but I dont know that Beth would sit Shemiah and put Amanda in the starting lineup instead.
Oklahoma is a fascinating team. Stellar defense, and they can all hit.
I do understand Walton keeping Dewitt, Lorenz, and Kvistad in every game, every inning, but you cant be that way across the board. Walton shuffles his outfielders around, as Ralph Weekly does, and they all get enough experience to where they are not lost when the big games in OKlahoma City start.
Dewitt started her freshman year in left field, played second for her sophomore and junior year, and moved to third for her senior year. They got her out on the field because the kid can hit.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:49 pm to Bhs1983
UCLA puts its best athletes/hitters in the lineups and finds roles for them to compete defensively. Sure you are trading some defense for offense but the results are better this way. UCLA's issue is they are a one pitcher staff that has no development in depth there.
Sometimes a good defense is a good offense, putting up runs and amping the pressure gets to teams.
If Sanchez transfers here she starts at 2B! She is versatile to play anywhere in the infield. I still think Shemiah needs to hit for a way better average, she has pop but doesn't hit consistently. Unlike Schulte, Shemiah actually works counts and does a lot of stuff better at the plate.
If someone is as talented an as elite as Jaquish, Bell, Landry. They most certainly deserve to play everyday but we have kids that aren't even near that have not earned the right to play as such. Production should be a major factor.
I may take heat for this but you can tell pretty quickly kids who can play and not play based off a certain amount of at bats. Antoine and Sunseri are only true freshmen but have played and produced much better/more consistently than a lot of the juniors.
We saw Doyle and Andrews show that as freshmen. Sunseri placed in the roughest part of the schedule without a month of cupcakes in preparation for SEC play, hits over .260 with 6 doubles, 7 home runs and a triple in only 90 at bats. Her average would be much higher if she had that first month. Antoine was consistently around .270-.290 for most the season and was 3rd on the team in SEC B.A before hitting a small slump
I am not saying kids can't get better after seasons of experience of development. Just saying its pretty easy to see who is capable of actually producing early on for most, you play those kids then let them develop.
Sometimes a good defense is a good offense, putting up runs and amping the pressure gets to teams.
quote:
Yall start talking about Sanchez from Missouri transferring over and she is an All-American level player, but I dont know that Beth would sit Shemiah and put Amanda in the starting lineup instead.
If Sanchez transfers here she starts at 2B! She is versatile to play anywhere in the infield. I still think Shemiah needs to hit for a way better average, she has pop but doesn't hit consistently. Unlike Schulte, Shemiah actually works counts and does a lot of stuff better at the plate.
If someone is as talented an as elite as Jaquish, Bell, Landry. They most certainly deserve to play everyday but we have kids that aren't even near that have not earned the right to play as such. Production should be a major factor.
I may take heat for this but you can tell pretty quickly kids who can play and not play based off a certain amount of at bats. Antoine and Sunseri are only true freshmen but have played and produced much better/more consistently than a lot of the juniors.
We saw Doyle and Andrews show that as freshmen. Sunseri placed in the roughest part of the schedule without a month of cupcakes in preparation for SEC play, hits over .260 with 6 doubles, 7 home runs and a triple in only 90 at bats. Her average would be much higher if she had that first month. Antoine was consistently around .270-.290 for most the season and was 3rd on the team in SEC B.A before hitting a small slump
I am not saying kids can't get better after seasons of experience of development. Just saying its pretty easy to see who is capable of actually producing early on for most, you play those kids then let them develop.
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 4:01 pm to Tigerbait357
You also cannot tell how good someone is by pinch hitting them for ten games in a row.
Some of these girls, every time they get up to bat, they get ONE CHANCE at hitting a pitcher they have never batted off of before.
If you really want to find out who can hit, let them bat six or seven games, four at bats a game, and you will see..and these three, Antoine, Thornhill, and Weinberger are all very close in terms of ability.
This coming year, with all the hype about incoming freshmen, and possible transfers, ask yourself WHICH of the seven returning position starters is going to be benched so that Georgia Clark or Tidwell can start?
Some of these girls, every time they get up to bat, they get ONE CHANCE at hitting a pitcher they have never batted off of before.
If you really want to find out who can hit, let them bat six or seven games, four at bats a game, and you will see..and these three, Antoine, Thornhill, and Weinberger are all very close in terms of ability.
This coming year, with all the hype about incoming freshmen, and possible transfers, ask yourself WHICH of the seven returning position starters is going to be benched so that Georgia Clark or Tidwell can start?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:38 pm to Bhs1983
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This coming year, with all the hype about incoming freshmen, and possible transfers, ask yourself WHICH of the seven returning position starters is going to be benched so that Georgia Clark or Tidwell can start?
I can't declare any freshman a starter until they actually step onto campus and earn a spot but its a valid question...
Here is what I want to know, if Clark transitions and kills it, where does that leave her and Sunseri so both can be in the lineup? Both bring tremendous power that this team needs
Clark was recruited to play 1B for LSU, although capable of playing catcher. Unless Torina wants to treat Sunseri like like Florida did with Ocasio and throw her out in the OF.
Some one will have to be benched. This freshman class is very heavy, I definitely feel many will push the current kids. Interested in how it will all unfold.
Posted on 6/5/18 at 12:04 am to Bhs1983
Damn how long did it take to type that I didn’t even read it all....
Posted on 6/5/18 at 12:11 am to Tigerbait357
I hold little faith that anything will change. Player management is not a strong suit of this staff. It's a great class coming in but I guarantee it will be misplayed.
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