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re: LSUAD is videotaping students chanting obscenities.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:25 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:25 am to Mr. Tom Morrow
quote:Reasonable explanation for your point of view, but I will counter it by saying that one of our societal norms since as early as the 1870's is that which places college students at their football games chanting things they would never say at the dinner table.
I'm not trying to personally step in ballscaster's right to yell what he wants, but there are societal norms and yelling at people to fellate a Bengal Tiger just isn't something that most people will tolerate.
quote:I disagree with this as well. The students won't be silenced, nor should they be.
And it's been said a million times, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. The school has dug in and taken a stand (regardless of the right or wrong argument) and students will not win this one.
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Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:26 am to Slippy
The student section might try to organize a sit out for a game or two and give up their tickets to others or give up their section and have seating all around the stadium and when neck comes up they could stand up and yell STTD and see how it plays out.
It'll never happen but it might have been interesting to see. I was speaking with a few students in the student section that said that if it weren't for the student section there wouldn't really be a cheer leading section.... here or anywhere else.
It'll never happen but it might have been interesting to see. I was speaking with a few students in the student section that said that if it weren't for the student section there wouldn't really be a cheer leading section.... here or anywhere else.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:27 am to moneyg
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You go ahead and do that.
I did.
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Nobody is talking about taking away all of the tickets.
Some people in this thread alone have suggested as much. But it doesn't matter, because IMO nothing is going to come of this. If they try to make an example of a few, I think LSU will get sued. It's all or nothing for the punishment IMO.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:27 am to ballscaster
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The students won't be silenced, nor should they be.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:28 am to RedTigerRulz
quote:Virtually every DIII and NAIA program, as well as the Ivy League, disagrees. No booster clubs, no noticeable revenue from ticket sales, yet they still have athletic programs that predate the marketing of college sports. Terrible point by you.
Take away the non-students...there is no sports program to enjoy.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:29 am to ballscaster
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disagree with this as well. The students won't be silenced, nor should they be.
That's not what I'm saying though. I'm not taking a side but rather saying that I don't think they have a chance of winning this argument.
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Reasonable explanation for your point of view, but I will counter it by saying that one of our societal norms since as early as the 1870's is that which places college students at their football games chanting things they would never say at the dinner table.
I fully understand that times do and must change but I think vulgarity is one societal issue that won't be going away anytime soon. I believe that most people still want to live in a polite world, even if that's just for show and not realistic.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:30 am to ballscaster
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Virtually every DIII and NAIA program, as well as the Ivy League, disagrees. No booster clubs, no noticeable revenue from ticket sales, yet they still have athletic programs that predate the marketing of college sports.
Surely you can't be serious right now.
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Terrible point by you.
You seem like a pretty sharp dude at times, but you're honestly filling this thread with fail.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:31 am to ballscaster
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It isn't your place to tell them what is acceptable or not.
Actually there are rules that specifically state what is acceptable, and one of those rules is not being followed. It really is that simple.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:32 am to lsu2006
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You seem like a pretty sharp dude at times, but you're honestly filling this thread with fail.
Shhh, im enjoying this.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:38 am to ballscaster
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Virtually every DIII and NAIA program, as well as the Ivy League, disagrees. No booster clubs, no noticeable revenue from ticket sales, yet they still have athletic programs that predate the marketing of college sports. Terrible point by you.
Apples and oranges Balls...your point is valid but we're not talking about Division III sisters of the poor teams......we're talking about LSU.
The university needs the financial support of the corporations (as much as I hate to fking say that)and big spenders. TAF foots the bill for a lot of improvements for the athletic dept. The students alone could not sustain/contribute the income needed to run this big mother.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:51 am to Ed Wuncler III
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I still don't see why saying a phrase is such a big deal.
OK, if you don't think it's a big deal, then go stand on one of your local busy street corners and shout "STTDB" for all to hear. If you don't see what's wrong with shouting something as vulgar as sucking a dick, then you're an idiot.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:10 pm to moneyg
quote:My argument is "Say whatever you want and let others say whatever they want." Calling that argument weak is to spray diarrhea on James Madison's grave.
Your arguments in this thread are extremely weak.
(I say that in a rhetorical sense. I am not in any way framing this issue as a legal or Constitutional one, but strictly a moral one. Chanting with profane language is not morally reprehensible; language policing is extremely morally reprehensible.)
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:12 pm to RedTigerRulz
All I can say is I'm happy this was my last year in the student section. This will do nothing but hurt the atmosphere that they claim has diminished.
The atmosphere in the stadium is directly related to the product on the field, the weather, and the team they're playing.
The atmosphere in the stadium is directly related to the product on the field, the weather, and the team they're playing.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:18 pm to ballscaster
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Chanting with profane language is not morally reprehensible; language policing is extremely morally reprehensible.
So in your opinion there should never be consequences for language or spoken words in general?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:19 pm to TNTigerman
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OK, if you don't think it's a big deal, then go stand on one of your local busy street corners and shout "STTDB" for all to hear. If you don't see what's wrong with shouting something as vulgar as sucking a dick, then you're an idiot.
No one is saying it is acceptable on the corner. It's a norm within college football to have derogatory chants and such. You surely wouldn't unload an ice chest, crack a beer and start cooking jambalaya on the street corner on any normal day?
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:20 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
quote:What do you think the final result of this situation will be then? Or do you think this is just part of the everlasting struggle between Delta Tau Chi and Dean Wormer?
I'm not taking a side but rather saying that I don't think they have a chance of winning this argument.
quote:100%
I fully understand that times do and must change but I think vulgarity is one societal issue that won't be going away anytime soon. I believe that most people still want to live in a polite world, even if that's just for show and not realistic.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:22 pm to lsu2006
quote:He said that without the non-students, there are no games. Hundreds of colleges run athletic programs, albeit small ones, without depending on revenue from people who are not affiliated with the schools.
Surely you can't be serious right now.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:22 pm to Sherman Klump
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No one is saying it is acceptable on the corner. It's a norm within college football to have derogatory chants and such. You surely wouldn't unload an ice chest, crack a beer and start cooking jambalaya on the street corner on any normal day?
Since you bring up the tailgate comparison...what would happen if you were cooking on campus on gameday but were using prohibited equipment, weren't in a designated area, etc?
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:23 pm to ballscaster
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Chanting with profane language is not morally reprehensible
Its goes beyond profane to obsecenity.
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
quote:The reason there is a football team is so that students can play and enjoy football.
Apples and oranges Balls...your point is valid but we're not talking about Division III sisters of the poor teams......we're talking about LSU.
The reason there is a 90,000 seat stadium to sit in and watch the football team is because of non-students.
So yes, apples and oranges. But it cannot be denied that the reason that the program exists in the first place has nothing to do with anyone who isn't affiliated with the university.
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