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re: LSU would be stupid to let Les Miles go
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:30 am to Choctaw
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:30 am to Choctaw
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I'll go to my grave believing that the RP bullshite set us back atleast 3 years at the QB spot
And if he had suffered a season ending injury? No real back up plan for that I suppose? I think Miles has some great qualities but getting QB's on campus and prepared is not one of them.
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Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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And if he had suffered a season ending injury? No real back up plan for that I suppose? I think Miles has some great qualities but getting QB's on campus and prepared is not one of them.
So how do you explain Zach's improvement this season?
Or better yet, Jarret Lee's last year?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:34 am to H-Town Tiger
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blowing 3 national titles so far in his LSU career.
He's won 1, so Max are you saying we should have won 4 total? In 8 years? Are you serious? Bear Bryant did do that and he did win 2 NC's when he lost his bowl game.
Even 3 in 8 year's is extremely rare.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:38 am to Topwater Trout
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If he excels at recruiting the QB position should always be strong. It is the most important position on the field
He did a poor job of recruiting that position, I agree, but that does not discredit all the other great players he has recruited. There is a difference between crticism and bias. You are proving that you just don't like the guy and will not give him credit for anything.
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Maybe recruits just don't want to come to LSU for fear they would suffer in the LSU passing offense.
If QB recruiting started well and dropped off, that would be a valid argument, but it's going the opposite way. QB recruiting has improved the last 3 years, that's no debatable.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:41 am to 11Tiger
quote:This doesn't explain how many lower level schools and SEC schools with lower rated recruits are able to keep pace with us on the field year in and year out. Yes, I know they didn't win the games, but that's not the point.
If you don't have the recruits you won't win many games. I don't care how good of a X and O coach you are
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:41 am to Topwater Trout
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And if he had suffered a season ending injury? No real back up plan for that I suppose? I think Miles has some great qualities but getting QB's on campus and prepared is not one of them.
you are right, he did a poor job recruiting that position from 2005-2010. He did not sign enough QB's IMO. He has improved since then. There is no use crying over spilled milk. He fricked up, he seems to have fixed the problem. Time to move forward.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:41 am to Lucky Tiger13
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So how do you explain Zach's improvement this season?
Mett has all the tools to be a stud QB. He is only here b/c of problems he had at UGA.
To be honest Mett should have seen more action last year in all the blowouts we had. I blame the offensive staff for not having Mett more prepared coming into this season. Just as we have no one prepared if something happens to Mett.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:42 am to H-Town Tiger
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You are proving that you just don't like the guy and will not give him credit for anything.
You are infering that. I do like him. I do not think he should be void of criticism though.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:43 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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but that's not the point.
right we should win every game 56-0 or else the coach is no good. We should more NC in a short period than any coach ever, got it.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:45 am to Choctaw
quote:It took 4 years, from 2008-2012 to recruit and develop another QB? Really? JFF comes in to AtM and lights it up the first year, and we wait 4 years between QB's to get quality play. Now that's patience!
I'll go to my grave believing that the RP bullshite set us back atleast 3 years at the QB spot. LEE & JJ were 3rd and 4th string going into the 2008 season.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:47 am to LSU GrandDad
The fact the even a handful of LSU fans would argue for Les to get fired is proof of how spoiled and stupid this fan base can be.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:48 am to Topwater Trout
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You are infering that. I do like him. I do not think he should be void of criticism though.
I'm critizing him for past QB recruiting as well, you are just bashing.
As for playing Mett some in 2011. I listened to Finebaum after the A&M Bama game and they were blasting Saban for leaving McCarron in to long in blow outs. You also might note that he left Mauck in a blow out over Florida in 2002 and he got hurt. The point is all coaches make mistakes like that. Miles (and Saban for that matter) don't typically run up the score when games are in hand, so what real good is it going to do to put Mett in to hand off. The getting him reps in blow outs is grossly over rated. He goes against much better DB's in practice than he would have in the 2nd half of a beat down over Auburn and do you really want to be passing in the 4th of a game like that? Just asking to get someone hurt.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:49 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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Yes, I know they didn't win the games, but that's not the point.
Winning is the only point and the rest don't matter worth a frick if you don't win.
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:50 am to Tiger_n_ATL
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It took 4 years, from 2008-2012 to recruit and develop another QB? Really? JFF comes in to AtM and lights it up the first year, and we wait 4 years between QB's to get quality play. Now that's patience!
so Sumlin and Kingsbury are better QB coaches. So what? Miles did a bad job with QB's in that era, that doesn't mean he can't improve going forward. It's a valid criticism, but what's the point of harping on it?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 10:52 am to H-Town Tiger
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The getting him reps in blow outs is grossly over rated. He goes against much better DB's in practice than he would have in the 2nd half of a beat down over Auburn and do you really want to be passing in the 4th of a game like that? Just asking to get someone hurt.
Ask any QB and I bet they say game experience is much more valuable practice and scrimmages.
Not really worried about how Saban is managing his QB's. Miles knew Mett would be entering this season with no experience. It is his job to get the players ready. Every other position we do this why not do it at the most important one?
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:02 am to Topwater Trout
I will say that Les Miles talent supercedes his coaching ability. With that being said he is the most successful coach LSU has ever had. He did benefit off the natinal exposure Saban provided.
If Les is allowed to walk, then the only three guys I can see coming in and being successful right away would be TCU's Gary Patterson, Boise State's Chris Peterson, or Oregon's Chip Kelly.
But for now, I will take the great recruiting, winning record, and the shitty coaching at times over a change.
If Les is allowed to walk, then the only three guys I can see coming in and being successful right away would be TCU's Gary Patterson, Boise State's Chris Peterson, or Oregon's Chip Kelly.
But for now, I will take the great recruiting, winning record, and the shitty coaching at times over a change.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:07 am to Topwater Trout
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Ask any QB and I bet they say game experience is much more valuable practice and scrimmages.
Sure, but everyone has to start some where. How many guys get real, valubale reps before they are starters in mop up time? You are now just inventing things to whine about. The QB got better as the year went on, some of the issues were not on him and they were not because he didn't play more in 2011.
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. Every other position we do this why not do it at the most important one?
Apples and Oranges. What are you bring in the 3rd QB to do, hand off or do you want to run up the score and risk getting players hurt?
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/28/12 at 11:50 am to Maximus
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When did you become a Les Miles fan over being a LSU fan?
When did destroying Les, even if it means destroying LSU, become so important to you??
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