re: LSU suddenly the trendy dark horse

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LSU has very few holes, Auburn and MSU are leaking all over the place

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dude...you won't know this until they play. its all speculation on your part...msu may have lost a lot, but they have jr's and sr's all over the place...that does mean something...au has gus as the coach and knows how to run an offense...on paper you could say lsu should win both games... but they don't play the games on paper...look, I am just as big an lsu fan as you, but acting like they will win both games with ease ,again shows that you think both teams will be running out a bunch of freshman and sophs. you have zero clue how well the au qb will be, just like you have zero clue as to how well harris will respond...again he has only started one game thus far.....

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dude...you won't know this until they play. its all speculation on your part...msu may have lost a lot, but they have jr's and sr's all over the place...that does mean something...au has gus as the coach and knows how to run an offense...on paper you could say lsu should win both games... but they don't play the games on pape

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They had juniors and seniors last year, experienced ones, and still had a terrible defense, especially the secondary. Where is the depth? LSU doesn't have much depth on defense outside the secondary, but I bet you they have way better starters at each level of said defense. You still haven't said anything about that inexperienced OL. I don't care who is on the line, bringing back only 2 starters, one being the RT, the other the LG, does not inspire confidence for a team who loves to run the football. Look at how bad Alabama looked early on last year with their new oline. Same with Tennessee. Ole Miss outside of Tunsil, had a pretty bad OL.

Jeremy Johnson could dominate, but I distinctly remember people saying the exact same thing about Maty Mauk when in 4 games in 2013 against Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Kentucky, he piled up 904 yards (7.93 ypa) 50% 10 TDs and 2 ints. Against those same teams the very next year, 43.6% 546 yards (4.96 ypa) 4 TDs 1 int. As a matter of fact, he didn't explode like people thought. Season stats in conference were 48.9% 1573 yards (5.8 ypa) 9 TDs 7 ints, 220 rush yards (3.61 ypc).

So don't give me the, Gus will have a good offense regardless crap. I don't remember a good offense the year after Cam Newton. Auburn's offense went from 7th in the country to 100th. Don't give me the preconceived notions on Gus offense. This is a whole new group of guys.

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but acting like they will win both games with ease ,again shows that you think both teams will be running out a bunch of freshman and sophs. you have zero clue how well the au qb will be, just like you have zero clue as to how well harris will respond...again he has only started one game thus fa

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Ok so state where exactly I said that we'd win both games with ease? I mean post history, not just in this thread alone. Where exactly did you read that? In this exact thread, I said the schedule sets up easy and one part of that, is because we get both MSU and Auburn early. I'm sure they'll be better later on down the road but as of right now, as of right this moment, they have more questions than LSU.

I never said I knew how good Jeremy would be, I said it's a question mark on how cohesive the offense is or how dynamic the offense is without an athlete like Marshall back there. How is the zone read power scheme with just a mobile guy instead of an athlete type? This is something that has to develop over the season, not just right out of the gate. Same thing with Brandon Harris.

I stated if we can get over the first 3 games, we have a nice 5 game stretch for him and the pass rush to build confidence and cohesion and gain experience.

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Tell me where LSU lost their senior 60% 3330 total yards 31 total TD QB, #1WR, #3 WR and #1 TE (84 rec 1357 yards 11 TDs), top 2 RBs (1972 yards 16 TDs) and pretty much most of their production on offense (2532 pass yards 2770 rush yards 47 total TDs)? I don't see LSU having to touch anything but the pass rush on defense which already didn't exist last year. The QB play can only go up.

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here is the thing. as LSU fans we are prone to freak out about replacing offense, especially QBs, because of our shaky recruiting and QB development. Auburn is not LSU. Auburn took a CB and turned him into a better QB than anything we've seen at LSU since probably 2006 (worst case for AU, maybe 2013 and 2006). it's just like Bama. they took a RB and turned him into a QB who had a better year than Mett did in 2013.

Moo State may have some major issues b/c they're simply not the level of program that LSU/AU/Bama are

but the point is that you shouldn't question Auburn's offense. they're a much safer bet than our offense

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Auburn took a CB and turned him into a better QB than anything we've seen at LSU since probably 2006 (worst case for AU, maybe 2013 and 2006). it's just like Bama. they took a RB and turned him into a QB who had a better year than Mett did in 2013.

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They didn't really "turn" them into anything, which is why both looked horrible at the combine. They plugged them into a system that doesn't require the QB to do that much. If there's a knock on LSU it's that they're asking way too much of the QB in an era that isn't producing QB's that are prepared for that.

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We're talking about whether Auburn or Alabama "turned" a CB and a RB into a good QB. They were successful system QB's.

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and that means they used a system to turn a non-QB into a good QB, when we can't turn a top-flight QB and the best we've had in almost a decade, into the same level of player in college

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If you watched Auburn last year, they team would come to the line, Malzahn was behind the play and Lashlee was lined up in the d-backfield. They would communicate then signal the play into Marshall. Much the same with Bama, there were multiple times the broadcast showed Sims looking to Kiffin pre-snap for his read, which was typically "throw it to Cooper, if he's not open...run".

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OK i didn't know if that's where you were going, but if that is working, then it's a failure of our coaching staff for not being able to adapt. this is kind of like a "pride v. success" argument. it seems that the pride of our coaching staff takes precedent over success on the field.

at some point, when other teams with more adaptive, efficient, and modern offenses keep doing better than LSU, our coaches need to take Marcellus Wallace's life advice: frick pride

during the crowton/stud era back in 2009-2010 we did try to use that offense, too. our coaches just weren't good at it

Print the shirts

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I give you 2014, but posting like LSU QB play has been a "horror" since Nick's recruited guys left is just silly Drama Queen material. imo

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Fact

2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2014 were all terrible and mediocre at best

2012 had some promise for half a season

2013 had great QB play, but our QB still wasn't even at the level of Bama's RB-turned-QB last year

we have just become accustomed to such bad QB play that the fanbase is elevating bad QB play to mediocre-solid and good QB play to elite

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and that means they used a system to turn a non-QB into a good QB, when we can't turn a top-flight QB and the best we've had in almost a decade, into the same level of player in college

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You mean that a true freshman struggled his first year on campus? Even top notch QB prodigies like Andrew Luck & Jameis Winston redshirted because they weren't ready as true freshman.

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it's a failure of our coaching staff for not being able to adapt. this is kind of like a "pride v. success" argument. it seems that the pride of our coaching staff takes precedent over success on the field.

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What the frick are you even babbling about? The staff changed things up 3 times at different points in the season. Cam went into the season trying to use the same play calls as the season before using a balanced attack but the players struggled to execute.

The changes began when Harris started at Auburn. They even used those sideline play cards to try to help him with the play calls yet they didn't prevent him from having awful outing.

From there they abandoned the idea of being balanced & went extremely run heavy against Florida. That resulted in 3 straight wins until the back to back losses against Alabama & Arkansas. Then against A&M they added a few new wrinkles using more pistol formation, jet sweeps, QB keepers & a heavy package that saw Hawkins line up outside of Collins & Alexander. It's bullshite to say the staff didn't try to make adjustments because they did.

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at some point, when other teams with more adaptive, efficient, and modern offenses keep doing better than LSU, our coaches need to take Marcellus Wallace's life advice: frick pride

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In April, we broke down how LSU's offense led the nation in third-down efficiency last season by converting for a first down or touchdown 57.1 percent of the time.

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Let's face it, whoever wins the starting job -- whether it's freshman Brandon Harris or sophomore Anthony Jennings -- he's not going to zing third-down completions like Mettenberger did last year.

The fifth-year senior's 96.7 Total Quarterback Rating on third down trailed only that of Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston (96.9) among FBS quarterbacks. Mettenberger was 58-for-89 for 974 yards, nine touchdowns and one interception on third down according to ESPN Stats & Information. Of those 58 completions, 21 went for 20 yards or more -- a total that was second only to Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater (22).

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The question isn't which LSU player replaces Landry's absurd production on third down. It's highly unlikely that one player will do that -- not this fall anyhow -- seeing as how Landry ranked third in the FBS in third-down receptions (28), second in receiving yards (474) and tied for first with six touchdown catches according to ESPN Stats & Information.

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Hill was arguably the nation's most explosive third-down back in 2013, leading the FBS with an average of 13.28 yards per carry on third down according to ESPN Stats & Information. Although dozens of players carried the ball more times on third down than Hill's 18 attempts, he ranked 10th nationally with 239 yards thanks in large part to his touchdown runs of 37, 49 and 69 yards.

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