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re: LSU Reaches out to Clancy Pendergast Update 1/2 2:58PM Coach CP front runner DC
Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:53 am to catholictigerfan
Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:53 am to catholictigerfan
He has shown flashes of a good recruiter. If you pair Ed O with either of these guys recruiting becomes instantly awesome
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:54 am to LSUNV
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If you pair Ed O with either of these guys recruiting becomes instantly awesome
I think because Ed O and Clancy worked together it's the only way we get Ed O.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:55 am to mytigger
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I'm telling you guys, Clancy Pendergast ain't everything this board is making him out to be.
I don't think anyone can doubt your resolve on this issue, considering you've posted the same shite for 2 days straight.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:55 am to catholictigerfan
Very well said. I don't think some people understand just how awesome Ed O recruiting would be. CP and Ed O would be better than Venables just for recruiting alone
Posted on 1/3/15 at 9:57 am to catholictigerfan
I think you have to make the hire based solely on the DC candidate alone. Coordinators leave. It's what they do. There's nothing to keep O here next year if he comes this year, and then you're stuck with CP at that point. And there's no reason you can't hire Coach O even if Venables comes.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:01 am to mytigger
You can't base it off of just the DC because there are other skilled position coaches on defense. We have an awesome secondary coach and I think he will make the difference. If anybody leaves then you go get the next best guy maybe even better guy. I like CP because he is a workaholic and is driven. He isn't as bad as you are making him out to be
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:02 am to mytigger
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I think you have to make the hire based solely on the DC candidate alone. Coordinators leave. It's what they do. There's nothing to keep O here next year if he comes this year, and then you're stuck with CP at that point. And there's no reason you can't hire Coach O even if Venables comes.
That is a good point, but I disagree. If a new coach brings in a new assistant because he comes as a package deal so to speak. The assistant should also be considered when considering who to hire.
Let's say it was this scenario
Candidate A has a rating of 92%
Candidate B has a rating of 89%
but candidate B also tells you that he is bringing in an assistant coach that is a 90% in a specific skill set. A skill set that candidate B struggles with. Even if Candidate A is better than both individually you hire candidate B because of who he brings with him.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:06 am to mytigger
If I'm reading this correctly CP would bring in coach O but Venables wouldn't or is hesitant?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:06 am to mytigger
More stats...
California & USC rankings in Total Defense.
2010 - 45th
2011 - 58th
2012 - 99th
2013 - 21st
By comparison, LSU's 2008 Malveto experiment had us at 66th
California & USC rankings in Total Defense.
2010 - 45th
2011 - 58th
2012 - 99th
2013 - 21st
By comparison, LSU's 2008 Malveto experiment had us at 66th
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:07 am to tigermed2
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If I'm reading this correctly CP would bring in coach O but Venables wouldn't or is hesitant?
maybe he could, but coach O and CP worked together, it could be a Coach O is coming with me where-ever my next job is. I don't want to lose his skills.
Who knows what would happen with Coach O and Venables but we know for sure that if CP comes there is a good chance Coach O comes too.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:08 am to catholictigerfan
I'd agree, but consider that LSU is already picking most of the position coaches anyway. It's not like whoever comes in gets to bring their staff with them.
There's nothing saying Ed O wouldn't come if Venables or even Steele was chosen as the DC.
There's nothing saying Ed O wouldn't come if Venables or even Steele was chosen as the DC.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:09 am to mytigger
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More stats...
California & USC rankings in Total Defense.
2010 - 45th
2011 - 58th
2012 - 99th
2013 - 21st
By comparison, LSU's 2008 Malveto experiment had us at 66th
You don't need to post any more stats, we got your point.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:11 am to catholictigerfan
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to bash the guy just trying to present all the facts. I was operating under the assumption that his #1 conference ranking at Cal translated into something different nationally. Those numbers are terrible. There were other Pac 10/12 programs that ranked above him Nationally in those years .... Oregon, Stanford, Utah in 2010 alone.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:13 am to mytigger
just don't forget if Miles reads Tigerdroppings and decideds not to hire him, Steele is the second choice, at-least according to your source.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:15 am to catholictigerfan
Honestly I'm glad someone else has to make this decision and I hope they don't rush into it. 
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:18 am to mytigger
Hiring and firing people is no fun in any line of work. Coaches are hired at an amazing quick rate compared to most people. Any other college job would take months to work out the details of a new hire.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:26 am to mytigger
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2010 - 45th
2011 - 58th
2012 - 99th
2013 - 21st
By comparison, LSU's 2008 Malveto experiment had us at 66th
By comparison, they throw THE frick out of the ball on the west coast. Just using 2013 (Pendergast's last year of coaching) - the conference had 4 individual passers with ~500 or more attempts (Taylor Kelly had "only" 484) and 6 3000 yard+ passers, including 2 4000 yard passers - for reference, the SEC has only had 2 4000 yard passers - ever. The Pac-12 is getting about 2 every year now.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:31 am to Ace Midnight
That's true Ace, but during CP's tenure in there the same conference had multiple Top 25 national defenses every year in Stanford, Oregon, Utah or Oregon State.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:37 am to mytigger
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the same conference had multiple Top 25 national defenses every year in Stanford, Oregon, Utah or Oregon State.
And I'm not going to argue that he had a boatload of talent at USCw with which to work, because of course he did.
Having said that - in a league of relative parity (the NFL) - he did quite well at Arizona - getting fired after losing to the Steelers in the Super Bowl, and giving up less than 300 yards (for the 3rd time in the season) just reinforces his Xs and Os acumen.
I'm not worried about his coaching - I'm worried about him on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 10:43 am to Ace Midnight
mytigger sure has become a pretentious prick in this thread. You make one guy believe he is an insider and boom
You make one guy believe he is an insider and boom
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