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LSU Hits Back -- The Reply Brief in the SEC Lawsuit

Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:23 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:23 pm
TL; DR; NL. The LSU brief hammers home the argument that there is no dispute because LSU complied and is no threat, and that the SEC has no "free association" claim against an organization it has the power to throw out.

LSU has filed a reply (a response to a response) in the lawsuit by the SEC. It is good.


The first paragraph is a zinger. I quote it fully here (citations omitted).

quote:

It is unclear why the SEC has not dismissed this case. The SEC has abandoned its request for preliminary relief because it concededly faces no harm “at this time.” It has abandoned its core allegations that LSU would “include two former professional athletes on its football roster” and “block or interfere with the September 10th meeting.” And it effectively concedes that its “First Amendment” claim is no constitutional claim at all: The SEC claims the “right to terminate LSU’s membership in the Conference” (so there is no compelled association), while repeatedly complaining about LSU’s supposed “defiance of the Conference’s Professionalism Rules” (without identifying a single violation). So obvious is the case for dismissal that the SEC throws a Hail Mary: new (and demonstrably false) claims that the LSU men’s basketball program is violating SEC rules. Enough is enough. There is no good reason to waste this Court’s time and resources—the Court should summarily dismiss the SEC’s complaint without prejudice to the SEC’s ability to file a real case.


LSU then repeats its best argument: The SEC cannot claim "forced asociation" when it has the right to throw LSU out.

quote:

Any continued association with LSU is thus the SEC’s choice, and self-inflicted harms cannot confer standing.


I think this is a damn good argument.

The reply then refutes the argument that the SEC should be able to continue this litigation because LSU might try to interfere.

quote:

The SEC has no scheduled termination meeting or any factual basis to assert—contrary to LSU’s public representations— that LSU would somehow interfere with such a meeting. The supposed “interference” fear is thus entirely “conjectural or hypothetical.”


They then make an argument that works but is a bit complex. They point out that to establish a "threat" by LSU, the SEC cites the Pyburn litigation, which is the injunction suit in Baton Rouge, which LSU says "inadvertently proves that this is not a First Amendment case." LSU points out that to continue with the federal case, the SEC must prove a First Amendment harm, while the Pyburn litigation is about SEC rules.

I just do not find this all that compelling. The better argument gets relegated to a footnote:

quote:

he SEC does not disclose that the Pyburn court enjoined LSU itself. * * * If LSU sought to work hand in glove with the Pyburn plaintiffs, it has failed mightily.


That last is a good line.

They then move to ripeness and mootness, pointing out that LSU did not roster the players in question. Here they also have a good line.

quote:

But more fundamentally, the SEC cannot seriously claim that LSU violated the SEC’s policies by doing precisely what the SEC rushed to this Court to accomplish.


They then address the Will Wade quote by quoting all of it. (Someone here had pointed out that they had cherrypicked it in the response).

quote:

As early as September 23, Coach Will Wade publicly said: “We’re going to abide by what the SEC tells us to abide by.”That was at the same press conference from which the SEC plucks phrases like “We’re going to be unapologetic about it.” As the full context shows, Coach Wade was “unapologetic” about building his roster in an unconventional way—not, as the SEC misleadingly suggests, violating SEC rules. The lack of candor is startling.
(emphasis added).

I think this hurts the SEC on credibility with the Court.

The reply then makes a very clever argument on the SEC's First Amendment rights. Recall that free speech protects citizens from state action. It does not protect the state. The SEC is comprised of fifteen state universities. If they are considered the "state," there is no First Amendment claim.

The brief slams first them on the argument that public universities are not state actors. A whole lot of law says they are.

But then they turn to Vanderbilt, which is the sixteenth member and clearly a private university. The SEC seems to claim that it is asserting Vanderbilt's private right. Here is where it gets good.

quote:

The SEC claims that “Vanderbilt has First Amendment rights [and] that the SEC can assert those rights on Vanderbilt’s behalf.” But the SEC does not respond to Defendants’ point that this “boil[s] down to the claim of an association-of-one,” which “y definition, [] is not a viable freedom-of-association claim.” The SEC retorts (Opp.27) that the SEC itself has First Amendment rights. But that does not change the fact that the SEC has only one member with First Amendment rights. [b]And with what other First Amendment-protected entity does the one-member SEC associate for purposes of this claim? The SEC does not say.
(emphasis added).

In other words, if Vandy is the only member with a First Amendment claim, then it is free to associate with itself, and therefore there is no free association claim by the other state members. The brief has made the same point several ways, but I really like this one, although I am not completely sure the logic aligns perfectly.

That is my quick take. It just came out, and I read it quickly. Would like to hear the Rant lawyers' thoughts.


This post was edited on 10/20/26 at 4:26 pm
Posted by BowDownToLSU
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:25 pm to
Because of this bitch boy
Posted by gaetti15
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:26 pm to
waiting with baited breathe for SFP's legal commentary/contrarianism
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:27 pm to
LSU has been well represented in this case. Zach Faircloth signed it, so I give him credit as author, although it may have been a group effort.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

legal commentary/contrarianism


Ha! Good legal commentary is almost always contrary. It is our way to the truth.

But I get your point. We can also be aholes by overarguing and not letting things go.
Posted by DeathByTossDive226
Member since Sep 2026
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:30 pm to
I like this post a lot more than the last one

Matter of time before this gets tossed.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:31 pm to
quote:

Matter of time before this gets tossed.


I think so too. But I am a bit biased. I just don't see how they can make this fly.

Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:40 pm to
I absolutely love how the LSU administration is handling this.

They aren't going out on a media crusade to try to smear the SEC, but they are also not standing around and getting walked all over (as previous administrations would). If the SEC brings the fight, then LSU won't just lay down for them.
This post was edited on 10/20/26 at 4:46 pm
Posted by geauxtigers
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:44 pm to
but let's wait for slowflofag to tell who right or wrong
Posted by JimTiger72
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:44 pm to
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Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
26164 posts
Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

I think so too. But I am a bit biased. I just don't see how they can make this fly.


The only people who actually have paid attention that actually believe that the SEC would have any chance, are the delusional Ole Miss, Tennessee crew. I don't like bringing politics into any of this, but I think this is more of a fact in this instance. We have seen democrats just think they can make crap up, win in a court of public opinion, and get their way. It appears to be the case of what is going on here. It's pure delusion, and it almost never works out the way they inteded.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

but let's wait for slowflofag to tell who right or wrong


Paging SFP . . . .
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:48 pm to
TLDR

They're trying to get the judge to provide some quote in their order that would amount to an advisory opinion (and thus invalid, but nonetheless something the SEC can waive around to diligent shills like Dellenger) saying, essentially, the SEC could if they wanted to terminate LSU (and any other SEC member) and LSU or any such SEC member would not be able to pursue legal recourse for its termination. The latter is what they are banking on, because that is the only way they would have real power to enforce rules that otherwise violate antitrust law.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:51 pm to
quote:

that is the only way they would have real power to enforce rules that otherwise violate antitrust law.


Definitely a factor here.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:52 pm to
So when is the end game supposed to happen? Is there another court date set up?
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:53 pm to
quote:

So when is the end game supposed to happen? Is there another court date set up?


Let me check. Last time I looked, Judge Axon had not set a hearing.

I will be in the same court with a magistrate next week. I might just bring it up!
This post was edited on 10/20/26 at 5:07 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

that is the only way they would have real power to enforce rules that otherwise violate antitrust law.


Definitely a factor here.


But for them to actually get this, they would have to see this all the way through in court, correct? I would guess there is a less than 1% chance of that happening.

Maybe they are just trying to get a line from a judge to hold over members heads, but even a quote, not in an official hearing would hold any weight right?
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:55 pm to
Nothing set than I can see. Under the Deadlines/Hearings tab:

quote:

There are no Deadline/Hearing events for this case.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 4:58 pm to
quote:

Maybe they are just trying to get a line from a judge to hold over members heads, but even a quote, not in an official hearing would hold any weight right?


We are all just guessing, but . . . .

Every once in a while, a client would rather lose than give up. This can be especially true where an instutional client has multiple decision makers. No one wants to own a surrender. You can always blame a loss on the lawyers.

Take that with a huge grain of salt.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 10/20/26 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

Maybe they are just trying to get a line from a judge to hold over members heads, but even a quote, not in an official hearing would hold any weight right?


We are all just guessing, but . . . .

Every once in a while, a client would rather lose than give up. This can be especially true where an instutional client has multiple decision makers. No one wants to own a surrender. You can always blame a loss on the lawyers.

Take that with a huge grain of salt.


Both correct
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