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LSU football has only two penalties to it's name...

Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:25 pm
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:25 pm
From another site:

LSU football has only two penalties to it's name: the tutor scandal in 2002 under Saban, and last year's McCarthy scandal under Miles.

The first of these, In 2002-03, LSU admitted to five secondary NCAA violations after an investigation into a plagiarism and grade changing scandal involving football players in a kinesiology class.

The NCAA accepted LSU’s self-imposed penalties of two lost scholarships and four recruiting visits during the 2003-04 recruiting year and later settled two lawsuits with the instructors who made the initial allegations.

The NCAA agreed with the school’s report that violations were secondary and not systemic.

No further NCAA sanctions for LSU - College football- NBC Sports

As for the DJ McCarthy violations, he was providing JUCO transfer Akiem Hicks with a reduced-rent apartment for 3 months last summer, improperly transporting him to LSU and making impermissible telephone calls to Hicks during the recruiting period.

Martin and Alleva have said the violations did not go beyond McCarthy and do not implicate head coach Les Miles.

LSU discovered and self-reported the violations on it's own, and suspended McCarthy from all coaching duties, especially recruiting.

Akiem Hicks had his scholarship revoked and never played a down at LSU. McCarthy's suspension is thought to have led to WR Justin Hunter's decision to switch his commitment from LSU to Tennessee.

The NCAA has yet to rule on this matter, but it's generally believed that since both McCarthy and Hicks are no longer at LSU, any penalties would be extremely light.

LSU reports NCAA violations

Those, in a nutshell, are the entire amount of penalties ever committed by LSU football. The only SEC football program with less penalties is Vanderbilt, with one.

This post was edited on 11/19/10 at 10:26 am
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:27 pm to
We've always managed to stay pretty clean. I know Les doesn't play that shite so it should stay that way as long as he's here.
Posted by Doc Fenton
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:27 pm to
quote:

The only SEC football program with less penalties is Vanderbilt, with one.


I think that we are the only 2 SEC schools (out of the current 12) who were never put on probation with the NCAA due to our football program.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:29 pm to
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Doc Fenton


Wasn't there some sort of scandal about you possibly being a Pro?
Posted by Duckie
Tippy Toe, Louisiana
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

Those, in a nutshell, are the entire amount of penalties ever committed by LSU football. The only SEC football program with less penalties is Vanderbilt, with one.


No, those are the only two that have been found out. HOPEFULLY they are the only two committed.

But good info nonetheless.
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:32 pm to
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No, those are the only two that have been found out. HOPEFULLY they are the only two committed.

But good info nonetheless.


LSU's in the fortunate position of having no real natural recruiting rivals, geographically speaking.

We don't need to cheat.
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:35 pm to
I thought this thread was about checker end zones like Tennessee's at first.
Posted by Doc Fenton
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:37 pm to
Yeah, Tulane & Auburn started crying when I started winning. I played a couple of seasons up at Mansfield and was being recruited heavily by Miss. State and LSU to transfer and complete my college career. tigger1 is the best with the historical details (there was some infraction committed by the LSU team in 1907 I think), but suffice it to say that LSU won me over fair-and-square with the nickel beers!

This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 4:38 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:42 pm to
Didn't something happen back in the mid-80's under the AD, Bob Broadhead? I was a kid, but I thought I remembered something.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:44 pm to
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Didn't something happen back in the mid-80's under the AD, Bob Broadhead? I was a kid, but I thought I remembered something


That mostly all involved Daddy Dale and the Basketball team.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:46 pm to
Yeah, some of it was administration-wide and had to do with the FBI and wiretapping/eavesdropping and all kinds of crazy crap, but the eye of the storm always centered around Dale Brown's circus with the men's basketball team.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:52 pm to
If you're referring to the Lester Earl incident, Earl later recanted his story that we was paid by an LSU booster, and said he was given a choice by the NCAA investigators; either implicate Dale Brown or lose eligibility. Lester Earl later apologized to, and was publicly forgiven by Brown.

Someday, someone is going to investigate the NCAA itself for allowing a couple of individuals in it's employ to pursue a personal vendetta against Dale Brown.

Posted by josh336
baton rouge
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:53 pm to
The Lester Earl thing happened in the 1990s, not the 80s
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111258 posts
Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:55 pm to
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If you're referring to the Lester Earl incident, Earl later recanted his story that we was paid by an LSU booster, and said he was given a choice by the NCAA investigators; either implicate Dale Brown or lose eligibility. Lester Earl later apologized to, and was publicly forgiven by Brown.


This is pre-Lester Earl. I think Tito Horford's name was involved. I know there were also questions about Big John Williams a few years before that.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:58 pm to
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Someday, someone is going to investigate the NCAA itself for allowing a couple of individuals in it's employ to pursue a personal vendetta against Dale Brown.


Dude, Daddy Dale was a shady as they come.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 4:59 pm to
Sure your not thinking of Hot Rod Williams at Tulane?

AFAIK, neither Horford or Williams were involved in any sanctions for LSU.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111258 posts
Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:00 pm to
No, no sanctions in any of this. Lots of sniffing around, though.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:04 pm to
Seems to me lots of sniffing without finding anything is a good thing.


Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111258 posts
Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:06 pm to
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Seems to me lots of sniffing without finding anything is a good thing.


Yeah, but it was enough to start them on their decade or so long 'where there's smoke there's fire' case against Brown and LSU.

ETA, In spite of Dale's assertions, the NCAA didn't just magically decide one day, hey we don't like this Dale Brown guy, so let's go after him.
This post was edited on 11/18/10 at 5:07 pm
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/18/10 at 5:06 pm to
the best indicator we run a clean program was back in the dale brown days the ncaa camped out at LSU for months and months investigating LSU basketball. they hated dale brown and the feeling was mutual. while they were there, they also investigated the football program. well, with the exception of not keeping good enough records concerning the 6 tickets each player gets for family each game, the program was clean as a whistle. there were no findings. we sure are not an auburn.
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