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LSU Football - always finding the next scapegoat - it all stops with AD/HC
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:39 pm
How many years has this been going on?
Malveto
Crowton
Stud
Cam
3rd and Chavis
Peveto (again)
Every single starting QB since Flynn (maybe not Mettenberger)
Miles
Now it's Grimes, O, and Canada.
The bottom line is top programs are not winning/losing NCs because of a position coach or a few lost recruits/transfers.
Fans focus on this stuff because it seems easier to fix. The real issue is that LSU hasn't had an elite HC since 2007. After Lee's freshman year, Miles went full retard and never recovered.
You can reshuffle the position coaches all you want but as long as you have Alleva and a non-elite Head Coach at the top this program will just be treading water.
Malveto
Crowton
Stud
Cam
3rd and Chavis
Peveto (again)
Every single starting QB since Flynn (maybe not Mettenberger)
Miles
Now it's Grimes, O, and Canada.
The bottom line is top programs are not winning/losing NCs because of a position coach or a few lost recruits/transfers.
Fans focus on this stuff because it seems easier to fix. The real issue is that LSU hasn't had an elite HC since 2007. After Lee's freshman year, Miles went full retard and never recovered.
You can reshuffle the position coaches all you want but as long as you have Alleva and a non-elite Head Coach at the top this program will just be treading water.
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:41 pm to ghost2most
I think we have reached this consensus and conclusion since last year
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:42 pm to ghost2most
quote:
Miles
He was and has always been the most overrated coach of this generation.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:42 pm to ghost2most
Exactly.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:44 pm to ghost2most
Alleva goes as orgeron goes. If orgeron somehow manages to turn it around then he's safe. But alleva will be fired when 0 is fired
Posted on 9/26/17 at 4:59 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
I do not have a crystal ball as some of you do, but I have seen many non-elite coaches become elite as experience grows.
Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco
Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.
Having said this, I know some will bitch at anything especially since your choice for coach was not hired or kept.
Geaux Tigers
Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco
Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.
Having said this, I know some will bitch at anything especially since your choice for coach was not hired or kept.
Geaux Tigers
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:46 pm to ghost2most
Agree with the OP. And you can add Cameron to your list.
Now it's Grimes, Grimes, and Grimes.
Now it's Grimes, Grimes, and Grimes.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:51 pm to ghost2most
To be fair all those people sucked and still suck.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:51 pm to rbdallas
quote:
Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco
quote:
Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.
That "non-elite" Saban was far more accomplished than Orgeron is right now.
How long do we have to wait until Orgeron reaches the level that Saban was 20 years ago?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 5:57 pm to ghost2most
Does 2011 ring a bell?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:14 pm to BhamBengal
Miles never made anyone a scapegoat. The fans did it for him
Seven pick sixes had never happened before and will never happen again. He was right to completely eschew throwing over the middle after that debacle
Seven pick sixes had never happened before and will never happen again. He was right to completely eschew throwing over the middle after that debacle
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:17 pm to rbdallas
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Saban was not a great coach at LSU... he became a great coach after the Miami fiasco
I don’t agree with this at all. Saban was a very well regarded head coach and was on the NFL’s radar before he coached a game at LSU. After reviving Michigan St.’s program he took over an LSU team that was 3-8, won an SEC title and Sugar Bowl in year 2 and a national championship in year 4. He didn’t stay long enough to win more titles as I’m sure he would have had he stayed at LSU.
quote:
I do not have a crystal ball as some of you do, but I have seen many non-elite coaches become elite as experience grows. Coach O was dealt his hand, let's see what he can do with it. Stop the nonsense, we lost to MSU and one could argue that the refs sucked the momentum away from us.
ANY suggestion that there is ANY comparison between what Saban had done before he came to LSU and what he’s achieved since to what Orgeron did before he became LSU head coach and what he might “learn” to do is absolutely absurd revisionist history. He's been a great DL coach and recruiter during his career - that is what he is and for that I give him a lot of credit. We were all thrilled to have LSU hire him as DL coach - he had proven success in that role. But some coaches aren’t meant to be the man responsible for running a program.
And I don’t know that there have been “many” coaches that have become elite as experience grows. If you mean coaches who were never head coaches prior and then became elite, then sure - all great coaches were assistants at one point before getting the chance to be the top guy. But there are select few who were unsuccessful head coaches the first go round who became elite head coaches. I can think of one off the top of my head - Belichick.
This post isn’t meant to bash you. I’m all for being positive, giving a guy a chance. But from the start there have been NO indicators that Orgeron was likely to have championship success at LSU. The final chapter is yet to be written. But based on the available information, the facts, I have no expectation that LSU will have great success under its current head coach. As a lifelong LSU fan I hope I’m wrong. I want to see LSU win more championships.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:17 pm to ghost2most
I'm not on this train. The OL has been showing signs of struggles for the last two seasons. We havnt developed a quarterback recruit in GOD KNOWS HOW LONG. I want to right the ship back to being fundamentally sound and well rounded. It's going to take recruiting and development and there may be some growing pains.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:21 pm to ghost2most
The person that has fricked it all up is Joe Alleva. How in the world that clown got the gig in the first place is beyond absurd.
I don't dislike O but there is a reason no one else wanted him as a HC. He had a 4 month head start on a search and totally fricked up.
frick him.
I don't dislike O but there is a reason no one else wanted him as a HC. He had a 4 month head start on a search and totally fricked up.
frick him.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:25 pm to r2d2
quote:
The person that has fricked it all up is Joe Alleva. How in the world that clown got the gig in the first place is beyond absurd. I don't dislike O but there is a reason no one else wanted him as a HC. He had a 4 month head start on a search and totally fricked up.
It’s scary that fans on a message board had a better vision for hiring a new head coach than the athletic director. You could just feel the train wreck happening all along.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:34 pm to LSUChamps03
quote:
LSUChamps03
Excellent post.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:47 pm to Goldrush25
quote:
That "non-elite" Saban was far more accomplished than Orgeron is right now.
Saban had a lot more experience.
O may never get to be Saban, but he deserves the support..
we have lost ONE game....and there is plenty of blame to go around.
You give someone a job to do and you judge them when the job is finished.
Posted on 9/26/17 at 6:49 pm to ghost2most
If that's where it stops, where does it start?
Posted on 9/26/17 at 7:31 pm to ghost2most
What do we do with an AD/HC that both have AD/HD? BYOB and pipe in more AC/DC for the AARP or does that offend the NCAA? Maybe it's NOYB and we should all STFU?
LMAO
LMAO
Posted on 9/26/17 at 8:03 pm to ghost2most
We are still living off of Perrileaux
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