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re: LSU Fan Council Update
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:53 am to Mattgobear
Posted on 12/12/18 at 11:53 am to Mattgobear
Best of luck. Let us know when and where the first meeting is, I'd like to attend.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:02 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Only difference between you and I is that you are ok with the medicorce on offense, and make excuses for
This isn't true at all. I see it for what it is and realize what it's going to take for the offense to improve. You can't see past your own bias.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:06 pm to bencoleman
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You can't see past your own bias
Do you honestly believe that I want Orgeron and Ensminger to fail?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:22 pm to Solo Cam
“ guess what actually will be done”
It’s a format to be used in an effort to get problems in front of people who might actually have enough authority to do something about them. If those in authority choose to not pay any attention, that’s on them. If we choose not to even make an effort to bring it to their attention, that’s on us.
It’s a format to be used in an effort to get problems in front of people who might actually have enough authority to do something about them. If those in authority choose to not pay any attention, that’s on them. If we choose not to even make an effort to bring it to their attention, that’s on us.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:31 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Do you honestly believe that I want Orgeron and Ensminger to fail
I honestly believe that you can't stand either one and while you may not want them to outright fail you damn sure aren't going to give them the same consideration that you would any other coaches that the administration would've hired. You're not willing to give coach O the benefit of the doubt in any situation. You're ready to crucify Steve although he's been hamstrung by personnel issues all year. You give Aranda the benefit of the doubt although he has a huge jumpstart on Steve. Aranda has been here several years. Steve took over a mess.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:36 pm to bencoleman
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I honestly believe that you can't stand either one and while you may not want them to outright fail you damn sure aren't going to give them the same consideration that you would any other coaches that the administration would've hired
Perhaps you have just chosen to ignore the credit I have given, when it was due.
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You're not willing to give coach O the benefit of the doubt in any situation. You're ready to crucify Steve although he's been hamstrung by personnel issues all year. You give Aranda the benefit of the doubt although he has a huge jumpstart on Steve
Let's compare.
Aranda is a proven DC. He is a highly saught after coach year every single year. He has shown the ability to have a good defense at every stop.
O and Ensminger were not saught after by ANYBODY. They have both failed previously at the positions they are in now.
Can't you comprehend why one gets the benefit of the doubt, over the other two? It's common sense.
To add to that, Aranda's defensive numbers compared to Ensminger, proves the defense was solid and the offense sucked. The offense struggled against teams like Southeastern. They didn't just look bad against good defenses, they looked bad all the time (except for Georgia).
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:37 pm to bencoleman
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You give Aranda the benefit of the doubt although he has a huge jumpstart on Steve. Aranda has been here several years. Steve took over a mess.
Aranda took over a Defense with worse line depth and talent, and has had a top end defense for years. 2017 our DL was Sophmore Lawrence, Gilmore and Lacouture. We lost Beckwith, Riley, Arden Key was a shell, we lost Tre White and Jamal Adams. And we still finished top 15 in scoring and total defense.
Ensminger may not have the beat piecws but he’s also done nothing to elevate those pieces.
The benefit of the doubt we Give Aranda is that this is an off year that really isn’t terrible.
You’re asking people to just assume that this terrible offense is all on the players, and probably that’s not true.
Downvote me if you like, but we are never going to have 5 stars at every position on offense, no one does. Nothing about E makes me think he is a top notch OC, and I think We could have gotten at least these shitty results with Any shitty OC.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:45 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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O and Ensminger were not saught after by ANYBODY. They have both failed previously at the positions they are in now.
Can't you comprehend why one gets the benefit of the doubt, over the other two? It's common sense
How you think that the above is relevant at this point is beyond me. Coach O is the head football coach at LSU. What happened at ole miss a decade ago is irrelevant. Whether anyone else wants them is irrelevant.
You're proving my point that you won't give them the same consideration that you would anyone else.
It's petty and small but you do you.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:50 pm to bencoleman
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You're proving my point that you won't give them the same consideration that you would anyone else.
Give me one good reason they deserve the same consideration as other proven coaches?
Especially when Ensminger has the offense looking as bad as it's ever been.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:51 pm to bencoleman
You’re asking about benefit of the doubt, and pretending giving some to Aranda but not O&E is unfair or unreasonable.
They are getting the same benefit of the doubt anyone with their terrible resumes would get.
O has never proven himself to be a championship coach, and E hasn’t shown he can produce a top 10 offense since the early 90s.
So no, they don’t get any benefit of the doubt.
They are getting the same benefit of the doubt anyone with their terrible resumes would get.
O has never proven himself to be a championship coach, and E hasn’t shown he can produce a top 10 offense since the early 90s.
So no, they don’t get any benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:00 pm to SammyTiger
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Downvote me if you like, but we are never going to have 5 stars at every position on offense, no one does. Nothing about E makes me think he is a top notch OC, and I think We could have gotten at least these shitty results with Any OC
You don't have to have 5 stars at every position but the talent had fallen off and it's not going to hurt you to admit it. Some of the younger guys may work out fine. They probably had to start before they were ready. Dare should be an upgrade at tackle. LSU won 9 games without serviceable offensive tackles. That's amazing by itself.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:06 pm to bencoleman
“The same consideration”
What consideration does a tight end coach turned offensive coordinator for first time in 20 years who produces a total offense ranked 10th in the SEC merit ??
No one hates Steve. No one wants Steve to fail. Lots of people are concerned about the fact that almost 3 years after a coaching change, we are still struggling to produce an effective, consistent O. That brings about frustration and that frustration is going to be directed both at Coach E and Coach O.
What consideration does a tight end coach turned offensive coordinator for first time in 20 years who produces a total offense ranked 10th in the SEC merit ??
No one hates Steve. No one wants Steve to fail. Lots of people are concerned about the fact that almost 3 years after a coaching change, we are still struggling to produce an effective, consistent O. That brings about frustration and that frustration is going to be directed both at Coach E and Coach O.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:09 pm to SammyTiger
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So no, they don’t get any benefit of the doubt
That puts us at opposite ends of the spectrum. Now after a certain period of time if they're still struggling I'll turn on them with the quickness. As of right now I'm watching and seeing how they address problems. Mostly they've been impressive with their offseason moves but we'll see how they handle jucos and transfers this year. They'll have a need along the offensive and defensive lines.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:12 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Lots of people are concerned about the fact that almost 3 years after a coaching change, we are still struggling to produce an effective, consistent O
Canada was good when allowed to run his own offense.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:14 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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No one hates Steve. No one wants Steve to fail. Lots of people are concerned about the fact that almost 3 years after a coaching change, we are still struggling to produce an effective, consistent O. That brings about frustration and that frustration is going to be directed both at Coach E and Coach
This is Steve's first year as full time OC. He had nothing to do with the Canada fiasco. He deserves a chance to get the offense right. Offensive line play will have to improve drastically. You're not going to win many games if your offensive line can't block. Wide receivers need to work in the offseason to get better too. That talent is there it just needs to come together.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:16 pm to bencoleman
This wasn’t our most talented team sure
But I dont Think E did anything with this talent. Like anything. I dont Think we had “score 31 points on Southeastern” level talent.
We were absolutely terrible at scoring TDs.
Outside OT when we got the ball 7 times on the 25 we had 39 on the whole year. Which is discussing.
But I dont Think E did anything with this talent. Like anything. I dont Think we had “score 31 points on Southeastern” level talent.
We were absolutely terrible at scoring TDs.
Outside OT when we got the ball 7 times on the 25 we had 39 on the whole year. Which is discussing.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:21 pm to SammyTiger
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But I dont Think E did anything with this talent. Like anything. I dont Think we had “score 31 points on Southeastern” level talent
If I remember right the southeastern defensive end was abusing Deculus all night long and creating havoc in the backfield. It should've been readily apparent at that point that the offensive line was in trouble.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:29 pm to bencoleman
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If I remember right the southeastern defensive end was abusing Deculus all night long and creating havoc in the backfield. It should've been readily apparent at that point that the offensive line was in trouble.
It's southeastern. I don't want to hear a single excuse about Southeastern. If every single offensive lineman can't control the line against a team like that, then there is issues with who is being brought in. Who is responsible for bringing these players in?
You can make every single excuse you want, but it will always lead to the blame being placed on certain people.
You argue facts by making excuses. Now I think this thread had been hijacked enough. You will only continue to prove why you are the head village idiot.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:30 pm to bencoleman
“ he deserves a chance”
He is being given a chance. A chance, to this point in time, he’s not exactly using to make a good case for himself.
A lot of teams I have a weakness in their offense but still manage to produce at least a better than average SEC O. I’m not one of the guys suggesting anyone needs to be fired, but I do see significant warning flags suggesting that what we have is the best we’re going to get.
He is being given a chance. A chance, to this point in time, he’s not exactly using to make a good case for himself.
A lot of teams I have a weakness in their offense but still manage to produce at least a better than average SEC O. I’m not one of the guys suggesting anyone needs to be fired, but I do see significant warning flags suggesting that what we have is the best we’re going to get.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:31 pm to bencoleman
At best, you’re saying E is only as good as his players. I am Saying he’s not even that good.
Like how are you going to tell me the OL that scored 24 vs a shitty Arkansas Defense is just that much worse than the OL that scored 36 vs a good UGA.
You can’t blame talent for everything then really we had the same players at the end of the year, played less talented defenses and had drastically different results week to week.
Like how are you going to tell me the OL that scored 24 vs a shitty Arkansas Defense is just that much worse than the OL that scored 36 vs a good UGA.
You can’t blame talent for everything then really we had the same players at the end of the year, played less talented defenses and had drastically different results week to week.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:35 pm
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