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re: LSU Fan Council Update
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:42 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:42 pm to SammyTiger
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At best, you’re saying E is only as good as his players. I am Saying he’s not even that good.
Like how are you going to tell me the OL that scored 24 vs a shitty Arkansas Defense is just that much worse than the OL that scored 36 vs a good UGA.
You can’t blame talent for everything then really we had the same players at the end of the year, played less talented defenses and had drastically different results week to week.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:30 pm to bencoleman
I get that
But are you willing to admit that you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt for no reason other than you have no choice?
Like what have Ensminger done to actually earn the benefit of the doubt like Aranda has?
Because I am At the point where my only complaint with O is that he hasn’t fixed the offense.
But are you willing to admit that you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt for no reason other than you have no choice?
Like what have Ensminger done to actually earn the benefit of the doubt like Aranda has?
Because I am At the point where my only complaint with O is that he hasn’t fixed the offense.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:57 pm to bencoleman
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This is Steve's first year as full time OC. He had nothing to do with the Canada fiasco. He deserves a chance to get the offense right.
The fact that you refer to Canada's time here as a "fiasco", really tips your hand and even without the obvious content, it's Freudian slips like this that has this entire board against you. This is why you have no credibility, even if that was the only reason.
It's even worse when you make statements like, "This is Steve's first year as full time OC", yet Canada only ever had a "first-year" and his was pretty much ranked right around where Steve Ensmingers is.
So tell me Bencoleman. Why does Ensminger "deserve a chance" yet Canada was a "fiasco"?
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This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:32 pm to bencoleman
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He had nothing to do with the Canada fiasco.
What’s this year if lastbyear is a fiasco?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:33 pm to bencoleman
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He deserves a chance to get the offense right.
Why? Who is Steve Ensminger and what skins does he have on the wall?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:36 pm to bencoleman
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Steve took over a mess.
He's been part of recruiting and offensive game plans longer than anyone on the staff.
You aren't using facts.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:40 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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They didn't just look bad against good defenses, they looked bad all the time (except for Georgia).
Passing game was still shite against UGA. Stayed shite the rest of the season.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:48 pm to oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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You argue facts by making excuses. Now I think this thread had been hijacked enough. You will only continue to prove why you are the head village idiot
I haven't argued anything and you don't get to dictate what's posted in a thread. As usual you have to resort to personal insults because you lack the necessary reading comprehension skills to continue a discussion.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:51 pm to SammyTiger
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But are you willing to admit that you’re giving them the benefit of the doubt for no reason other than you have no choice?
Like what have Ensminger done to actually earn the benefit of the doubt like Aranda has
I'm giving him the same consideration that I would give any other newly hired coach that inherited a mess. Nothing more nothing less. If the offense doesn't improve by quite a bit next year I'll be calling for a change. As of now I'm optimistic about the offense moving forward.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:55 pm to nola000
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The fact that you refer to Canada's time here as a "fiasco", really tips your hand and even without the obvious content, it's Freudian slips like this that has this entire board against you. This is why you have no credibility, even if that was the only reason
It wasn't a slip. Canada was a disaster for LSU'S offense. It set the offense back and created a hole that's that much harder to dig out of. Are you honestly prepared to argue that Canada was a net positive for the program because if so you've outed yourself as less than intelligent. As far as my credibility or lack of it all I have to do is look at who is questioning it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:57 pm to dgnx6
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He's been part of recruiting and offensive game plans longer than anyone on the staff.
You aren't using facts
So as tight ends coach just how much say do you think Steve had over recruiting?
Who isn't using facts now?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:00 pm to bencoleman
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He's been part of recruiting and offensive game plans longer than anyone on the staff.
From what I've heard on local radio, Ensminger either didn't give input or his input wasn't aske for/appreciated in game planning, Ben. It's anyone's guess to how true that is, but I'm pretty sure it was on Moscona's show. That's really the only one I get a chance to listen to.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:01 pm to bencoleman
A LOT. Steve Ensminger was a mediocre offensive coordinator, at best, through the late 1980s until the early 2000s (give or take.)
However, he has been known as a really good recruiter for all those years. You do not really think he was not involved in recruiting until his promotion to O.C., do you?
Almost all position coaches are responsible for recruiting. YES, he had tremendous say in recruiting.
However, he has been known as a really good recruiter for all those years. You do not really think he was not involved in recruiting until his promotion to O.C., do you?
Almost all position coaches are responsible for recruiting. YES, he had tremendous say in recruiting.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:03 pm to TigerLunatik
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From what I've heard on local radio, Ensminger either didn't give input or his input wasn't aske for/appreciated in game planning, Ben. It's anyone's guess to how true that is, but I'm pretty sure it was on Moscona's show. That's really the only one I get a chance to listen to
For people to claim that Steve had any control over recruiting is just ridiculous. People will say anything to bash the coaches.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:05 pm to bencoleman
I know shite about the ins and outs of recruiting, but I do know that E is a good recruiter. It would seem to be that he would have some input, but I don't see how he would be in a position to make any final decisions.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:16 pm to RedPop4
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However, he has been known as a really good recruiter for all those years. You do not really think he was not involved in recruiting until his promotion to O.C., do you
I didn't say that he didn't recruit but his control over who was selected probably started and ended with tight ends. I doubt that the defensive backs coach asked for his advice on recruits.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:19 pm to bencoleman
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. Canada was a disaster for LSU'S offense. It set the offense back and created a hole that's that much harder to dig out of. Are you honestly prepared to argue that Canada was a net positive for the program because if so you've outed yourself as less than intelligent.
Offensive Ranking - LSU
2017 (Canada) - #54
2018 (Ensminger) - #77, #92 if you take out the 7OTs
Oh, and...
LSU v. ALABAMA
2016 (Ensminger) - 0-10
Pass Yards - 92 - 107
Rush Yards - 33 -216
2017 (Canada) - 10-24
Pass Yards - 155-183
Rush Yards - 151-116
2018 (Ensminger) - 0-29
Pass Yards - 184-295
Rush Yards - 12-281
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:22 pm to bencoleman
So why don’t you give Canada any benefit of the the doubt, but you are giving Ensminger plenty?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:23 pm to nola000
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Offensive Ranking - LSU
2017 (Canada) - #54
2018 (Ensminger) - #77, #92 if you take out the 7OTs
3 OCs in three years can in no way shape or form be considered a net positive although it doesn't surprise me that there are people here that would argue it.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:25 pm to SammyTiger
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So why don’t you give Canada any benefit of the the doubt, but you are giving Ensminger plenty
I was excited about the Canada hire but that wore off quickly. Canada is no longer employed by LSU and doesn't deserve anything at all.
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