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LSU Coaching Search, 1983. Surely I misread.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:48 pm
I mean, this has to be wrong. Surely Brodhead did what REAL AD’s do and wrote, “When Vermeil turned me down, I got my little feelings hurt and to spite him, I hired a career position coach who was the worst coach in Ole Miss history. I then stuck my tongue out at Vermeil and told him: ‘I’ve got somebody who WANTS the job!’”
WHAT?? He continued the search and contacted proven, winning coaches?
That’s not how you do it!
Two weeks later, following a 27-24 loss to Ole Miss in Jackson, I had seen enough. I began my search for a new head coach.
I contacted Dick Vermeil, the successful coach-turned-TV-color-analyst, through his broadcast partner; Frank Glieber. Vermeil, who had claimed burn-out when he walked away from the Philadelphia Eagles a short time eariler, wasn't interested. I contacted Mike White of the University of Illinois through his business manager. At White's prices, I wasn't interested. I thought about contacting University of Maryland Head Coach Bobby Ross and several other prospects when I decided to pursue a comment which had been made to me by Bill Arnsparger, Assistant Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, when I left that organization in 1982. He had asked me to keep him in mind if I ever had to make a change at LSU. from Sacked, by Bob Brodhead, pp. 56-57.
WHAT?? He continued the search and contacted proven, winning coaches?
That’s not how you do it!
Two weeks later, following a 27-24 loss to Ole Miss in Jackson, I had seen enough. I began my search for a new head coach.
I contacted Dick Vermeil, the successful coach-turned-TV-color-analyst, through his broadcast partner; Frank Glieber. Vermeil, who had claimed burn-out when he walked away from the Philadelphia Eagles a short time eariler, wasn't interested. I contacted Mike White of the University of Illinois through his business manager. At White's prices, I wasn't interested. I thought about contacting University of Maryland Head Coach Bobby Ross and several other prospects when I decided to pursue a comment which had been made to me by Bill Arnsparger, Assistant Head Coach and Defensive Coordinator of the Miami Dolphins, when I left that organization in 1982. He had asked me to keep him in mind if I ever had to make a change at LSU. from Sacked, by Bob Brodhead, pp. 56-57.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 11:49 pm
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:51 pm to timlan2057
Keep melting and have another beer.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 11:54 pm to timlan2057
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Dick Vermeil
The Jon Gruden of his time.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:03 am to timlan2057
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I thought about contacting University of Maryland Head Coach Bobby Ross
Perhaps this would have turned out well. He later won a national title at Georgia Tech and went to a Super Bowl with San Diego.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:19 am to timlan2057
Arnsparger had how much head coaching experience?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 6:57 am to Godfather1
quote:not even. Vermeil was a proven college coach at UCLA that didn’t luck his arse into a great defensive team like Gruden did in Tampa. That team had been coached by Dungy and were already filthy on defense with one of the all time great defensive coaches in Kiffin being there for years before he arrived in 2002.
quote:
Dick Vermeil
The Jon Gruden of his time.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 7:15 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:13 am to tigersbh
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Arnsparger had how much head coaching experience?
go research the ‘72 Dolphins. Also, he singlehandedly developed and implemented a plan that molded UF into what it became under Foley - dominant. He hired Spurrier and Kruger. UF isn’t UF without him. That’s reason #1 why I’m still pissed about how he left us. That guy lost 3 SEC games in 3 years as head coach at LSU.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:52 am to Tiger1988
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not even. Vermeil was a proven college coach at UCLA that didn’t luck his arse into a great defensive team like Gruden did in Tampa. That team had been coached by Dungy and were already filthy on defense with one of the all time great defensive coaches in Kiffin being there for years before he arrived in 2002.
He was the Jon Gruden of his time in the sense that he was a successful coach who retired to the booth and then was the hot name that came up every time a job came open.
Geez. Some of you nerds have to have EVERYTHING explained to you.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 7:53 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:27 am to Tiger1988
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go research the ‘72 Dolphins. Also, he singlehandedly developed and implemented a plan that molded UF into what it became under Foley - dominant. He hired Spurrier and Kruger. UF isn’t UF without him. That’s reason #1 why I’m still pissed about how he left us. That guy lost 3 SEC games in 3 years as head coach at LSU.
Yeah he was a great coach. You missed the point entirely!
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:42 am to tigersbh
quote:No I didn’t. He had already been a successful DC - something Orgeron has NEVER BEEN in college or at the professional level. He had been a head coach with the Giants before he came to LSU dumbass.
Yeah he was a great coach. You missed the point entirely!
I replied to the dumbass statement that Arnsbarger had not been a head coach.
Now leave and GFY.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:46 am to Tiger1988
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Now leave and GFY.
Good luck with that. Now go take some anger management classes.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:48 am to tigersbh
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Arnsparger had how much head coaching experience?
Arnsparger had a disastrous 2 1/2-year tenure as head coach of the New York Giants from 1974-76. He was fired in the middle of the '76 season after the Giants started 0-7.
Arnsparger's NFL head coaching record
In fairness, the Giants had three different home stadiums during his tenure: the Yale Bowl in '74, Shea Stadium in '75 and Giants Stadium, which opened in '76. The Giants were forced out of Yankee Stadium in the middle of the '73 season because of renovation to YS (the Yankees played at Shea in '74 and '75).
Regardless, if you looked at him after his first stint as a head coach, you might have thought he would be overmatched as a college head coach. The difference was that he had been a standout defensive coordinator in two different stints with the Dolphins and had helped them to the Super Bowl two years before he got to LSU.
In contrast, Orgeron had already failed at this level (SEC West) as a head coach and had always been a position coach except for his stint at Ole Miss. Coordinator is usually a pretty important prerequisite to being a head coach because it shows you can lead at least one-third to one-half the team (I'm acknowledging the existence of special teams). You are responsible for all positions on one side of the ball, and you have coaches that report to you.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 8:54 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:57 am to Godfather1
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Geez. Some of you nerds have to have EVERYTHING explained to you.
So you believe being a successful college coach(like I said) wasn’t relevant to a college coaching job or LSU?
Vermiel was a successful college coach ie would have been a great college or pro hire.
Gruden was being shipped at this great coach and it would translate at the college level. Not even the same thing.
He had ZERO desire to recruit. None. He didn’t want to deal with the drama of NCAA and its volumes of shitty rules.
Gruden, as I’ve said before on here, would only go to a job that had the pieces to be great ie great QB or defense.
He isn’t a fool.
For Vermiel at that point in his life, it was all gravy. He had matured, made some serious money and really wasn’t constantly being rumored for college jobs because of how long had passed since he last coached. So no it wasn’t the same. I actually was around (‘72 LSU grad/Alum) and watched all those games and teams then. As a Dallas hater, I loved when Philly or Washington or the Giants beat them.
That job in Philly nearly killed him.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 8:59 am to roger79
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Arnsparger had a disastrous 2 1/2 year tenure as head coach
So there's hope for Coach Oeaux after all. Imagine what this board will do if he only loses 3 SEC games the next 3 seasons (and none of them to Bama!).
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:03 am to roger79
Okay Roger, I’m not refuting you. You brought up Arnsparger’s NFL HC record to bring perspective to the idiots who cannot see he had a DC resume much greater than Orgeron’s.
And besides, if we ignore stellar resumes because of bumpy roads in the NFL for a potential college HC—then bingo. Forget a guy named Nick Saban.
When you have a good coach, a good AD knows how to sell him, like Brodhead did here with Arnsparger. Funny that Alleva makes no real effort to “sell” O. That’s easy to figure. First, Alleva is an incompetent little weasel. Second, there’s nothing to sell.
.. Under Arnsparger's guidance, the Giants were 7-28.
My standard response to anyone who quizzed me regarding this tarnish on his otherwise impressive resume was to fault the Giants organization, saying that Arnsparger hadn't been given enough time to build a winner. It's a good thing my friend Wellington Mara, the Giants' owner, didn't read the Louisiana papers, or he would have grown tired of assuming responsibility for Arnsparger's low winning percentage. Perhaps he would have understood that I wasn't about to let the second guessers stand in the way of a smooth transition from the old coaching regime to the new.
Besides, ten years had passed since then, and Arnsparger's record of accomplishments spoke for itself. Nine times in his eleven full seasons with Miami, the Dolphin defense ranked either first or second in the NFL in scoring defense.
I was proud of my selection, and I was confident that Arnsparger would provide the leadership necessary to turn the football program around. I had better be. The Good Old Boy Club at LSU, smarting from its first setback in decades--and at the hands of an outsider; no less--was busy tying my fate to Arnsparger's future won-loss record. Either he won, or I lost.
Some members of the media were also less than receptive to the new coach. Ron Higgins, a local sports columnist, had written the following bit of prose in anticipation that Arnsparger would be hired: "Brodhead, who once had a job promoting nails, would have an easier time selling thumb tacks than Arnsparger.
"The four problems with Arnsparger in an nutshell? He's too old (almost 57 years old); he's from Miami (fans will point to Brodhead's so-called Miami Connection), he's from the pros (LSU folks don't take kindly to a pro coach stepping into a college atmosphere) and he's not a proven major college winning head coach.
"If Brodhead wants to survive this ugly storm, he might consider shopping elsewhere for a head coach. Like at a major college."
Obviously, there wasn't going to be a run on red carpets to welcome Arnsparger, who was remaining with the Dolphins through the end of their season. I knew I had to do something. So I called my friends at ABC and asked for a favor. The Dolphins were appearing on a Monday Night Football broadcast the week after Arnsparger's appointment, and a few good words from Frank Gifford and "Dandy" Don Meredith would do wonders for my public relations campaign.
Not only were a few good words uttered from the booth, but praises were sung every time Arnsparger appeared on camera, complete with frequent mention of the LSU program he would take over at the end of the Dolphins' season. Lo and behold, the skeptics in Tiger Town were singing a different tune in no time.
The same favor was granted again during the Dolphins' playoff telecasts, and by the time Arnsparger arrived on campus in January, I had created a living legend. The biggest problem I would face from that point on was that not only had the public bought the hype, so had Arnsparger.
From Sacked by Bob Brodhead
And besides, if we ignore stellar resumes because of bumpy roads in the NFL for a potential college HC—then bingo. Forget a guy named Nick Saban.
When you have a good coach, a good AD knows how to sell him, like Brodhead did here with Arnsparger. Funny that Alleva makes no real effort to “sell” O. That’s easy to figure. First, Alleva is an incompetent little weasel. Second, there’s nothing to sell.
.. Under Arnsparger's guidance, the Giants were 7-28.
My standard response to anyone who quizzed me regarding this tarnish on his otherwise impressive resume was to fault the Giants organization, saying that Arnsparger hadn't been given enough time to build a winner. It's a good thing my friend Wellington Mara, the Giants' owner, didn't read the Louisiana papers, or he would have grown tired of assuming responsibility for Arnsparger's low winning percentage. Perhaps he would have understood that I wasn't about to let the second guessers stand in the way of a smooth transition from the old coaching regime to the new.
Besides, ten years had passed since then, and Arnsparger's record of accomplishments spoke for itself. Nine times in his eleven full seasons with Miami, the Dolphin defense ranked either first or second in the NFL in scoring defense.
I was proud of my selection, and I was confident that Arnsparger would provide the leadership necessary to turn the football program around. I had better be. The Good Old Boy Club at LSU, smarting from its first setback in decades--and at the hands of an outsider; no less--was busy tying my fate to Arnsparger's future won-loss record. Either he won, or I lost.
Some members of the media were also less than receptive to the new coach. Ron Higgins, a local sports columnist, had written the following bit of prose in anticipation that Arnsparger would be hired: "Brodhead, who once had a job promoting nails, would have an easier time selling thumb tacks than Arnsparger.
"The four problems with Arnsparger in an nutshell? He's too old (almost 57 years old); he's from Miami (fans will point to Brodhead's so-called Miami Connection), he's from the pros (LSU folks don't take kindly to a pro coach stepping into a college atmosphere) and he's not a proven major college winning head coach.
"If Brodhead wants to survive this ugly storm, he might consider shopping elsewhere for a head coach. Like at a major college."
Obviously, there wasn't going to be a run on red carpets to welcome Arnsparger, who was remaining with the Dolphins through the end of their season. I knew I had to do something. So I called my friends at ABC and asked for a favor. The Dolphins were appearing on a Monday Night Football broadcast the week after Arnsparger's appointment, and a few good words from Frank Gifford and "Dandy" Don Meredith would do wonders for my public relations campaign.
Not only were a few good words uttered from the booth, but praises were sung every time Arnsparger appeared on camera, complete with frequent mention of the LSU program he would take over at the end of the Dolphins' season. Lo and behold, the skeptics in Tiger Town were singing a different tune in no time.
The same favor was granted again during the Dolphins' playoff telecasts, and by the time Arnsparger arrived on campus in January, I had created a living legend. The biggest problem I would face from that point on was that not only had the public bought the hype, so had Arnsparger.
From Sacked by Bob Brodhead
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:09 am to timlan2057
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Besides, ten years had passed since then, and Arnsparger's record of accomplishments spoke for itself. Nine times in his eleven full seasons with Miami, the Dolphin defense ranked either first or second in the NFL in scoring defense.
And yes, for the O-pumpers:
Had O had a coaching resume AFTER Ole Miss where he was an NFL DC and finished first or second in the NFL in scoring defense 9 out of 11 years ... a lot us would feel differently about the hire and excuse his disastrous Ole Miss tenure.
But answer me this: WHAT has Orgeron done as a hired HC or as a coordinator SINCE Ole Miss that would excuse that fiasco?
I won't hold my breath until I get an answer.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:42 am to timlan2057
And Saban was a great NFL Head Coach. I know his defense in Cleveland was all world as was Arnspargers. Arnspargers was actually better. I think if LSU had hired him as AD we wouldn't be having any coaching change chats now.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:00 pm to Tiger1988
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didn’t luck his arse into a great defensive team like Gruden did in Tampa.
you act like gruden cannot coach. the team he beat in the SB that year (RAIDERS) was built basically by him. gruden got them(tampa) a SB........ DUNGY COULD NOT GET IT DONE. go blow dungy elsehwere old fart.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:06 pm to Tiger1988
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Gruden, as I’ve said before on here, would only go to a job that had the pieces to be great ie great QB or defense.
He isn’t a fool.
yeah he left the raiders in shambles huh?
idiot the fact gruden won a SB with him(brad johnson) at Qb is amazing great defense or not.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:14 pm to Tiger1988
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That team had been coached by Dungy and were already filthy on defense with one of the all time great defensive coaches in Kiffin being there for years before he arrived in 2002.
Gruden was pretty successful with the Raiders. I don't know if he would be a good college coach but with his personality and name recognition he would probably recruit pretty well even with little effort. In contrast I think Herm Edwards will be a disaster.
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 12:17 pm
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