re: LSU Breaking Down Other Schools Spread Offensive Strategies

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No matter how badly wanted or needed, the reality is over the last couple years LSU hasn't had the accuracy to feature "plenty of passing".

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You realize who's problem that ultimately is right? There are 3 star and 2 star QBs that have excellent accuracy in college and we can't get our conveyor belt of 4 star passers anywhere close until they are seniors.

Evaluation, Development, Execution, Offensive Philosophy specifically passing), all of it has been a joke. Don't give me one year with a 6'4 cannon arm prototypical 5th year senior JUCO with guys who two years later are pro bowl WRs.

I've been saying this since the season ended. Why are we running a pro style offense when we can't execute the passing part at all? Why do we run that type of offense when we have in state QBs and nearby Texas QBs built to run spread offenses?

In 3 years vs LSU (including his first year vs us), home grown QB Dak Prescott, with scraps from other SEC states, completed 60.4% of his passes for 709 yards (7.38 ypa) 4 TDs 1 int, 44 car 189 yards (4.3 ypc) 3 TDs. In 3 games vs LSU he put up 900 yards and 7 TDs with vastly inferior talent. Do you SEE where I am going with this?

Switch to spread. Use all this insane talent we have at QB and WR and RB and create an unstoppable force. LSU's offense could be better than Clemson's offense if we got a guy in here to run spread and Miles kept his fingers off (except for making sure that we still power run effectively).

Air raid teams like Texas Tech (with even worse talent than Miss St) and TCU had great power run offenses. Oklahoma has a great power run offense and they grabbed an early 30s air raid OC from ECU to be their coordinator. Clemson didn't miss a beat when Chad Morris got hired away. Clemson has a great run game and they mostly just utilize the QB and RB (Gallman and Watson combined for 2632 yards 5.37 ypc 25 TDs). UNC's is even better as their top 5 rushers averaged over 6 yards per carry (#3 rusher 400 yards 5 TDs). QB Williams and RB Hood combine for 2411 yards 6.4 ypc and 30 TDs.

Look how easy Chad Kelly came in and dominated straight out of JUCO compared to Mett who even had a year to learn the offense before starting straight from JUCO.



Stop being the salmon. Hopefully change is here.

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Actually, spreading out the field likely would open up bigger holes for Fournette.

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Or provide bigger holes for defensive penetration.
Throwing in some surprise spread plays here and there is one thing, but Wider OL spacings are recruited for with forethought and tech is different.
True spread was born out of smaller programs trying to compete via the more available athletic linemen instead of hulks.

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I agree that spread doesn't always = throwing 50 times a game, but it also doesn't provide bigger holes for a RB. The defense is also spread which means they would cover more of the field. There's a reason power running teams run the pro style, once the runner breaks through the concentrated defensive area there is much more open space. I would say that our inability to block hurt us more than anything last year.

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First of all, you don't make any sense. Power running teams don't run pro style, pro style team power run, but many spread teams also power run to incredible results.

Tell that nonsense to Ezekiel Elliott and Tre Mason busting off big runs vs Alabama in back to back years. Tre Mason 5.66 ypc 164 yards, Elliott 230 yards 11.5 ypc. I didn't see Michigan St run over Bama. Wisconsin even with a healthy Corey Clement couldn't do shite.

Go look up the ypc averages teams had vs Bama. Florida, LSU, Michigan St, Arkansas, pro style offenses with top 10 (and top 5) ranked in their class RBs, did worse that teams like Mid Tenn and Ole Miss. The guys that did good...Tennessee, Clemson, ran spread with dual threat QBs. Teams with awful run games like Miss St did just as good as we did. Georgia was fortunate that Nick Chubb ran a late 80 yard TD late in the fourth quarter down by 30 when Bama was just waiting til the game was over. Otherwise, he had 19 carries for 66 yards (3.47 ypc). Seeing the difference between spread and pro yet?


LSU hasn't had an RB since Michael Ford in 2011, running option with Jefferson, average more than 3.76 ypc vs Bama with any decent amount of carries. The other guy is Charles Scott back in 2009 (Saban's 3rd year), aka, a lifetime ago.

The game is changing, and we need to keep up.

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I am not expecting anything from this at all. More BS.

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Exactly. I don't believe anything out of Miles' mouth

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Common '15 opp TTU- , TCU 55pts and LSU 56pts, so maybe the expanse between offenses isn't large as the one between conference defenses.

I'll add the "clunky" LSU offense ypp was ahead of quite a few SEC spread offenses, despite having a fairly inaccurate pass attack.

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Compare TCU's offensive talent to LSU's. LSU's offensive YPP was high because Fournette and Guice are two of the best RBs in all of college ball. I will not hold my tongue when I say Fournette will be only the select few in history to have over 5000 rushing yards in 3 years putting him in legend category. Guice would be the top back in the SEC if Fournette wasn't on the team. When your top two RBs average nearly 6.9 yards per carry on 350 carries with 25 TDs, in the SEC West, with an awful passing game and inconsistent blocking, it's the players, not the scheme. Darrell Williams couldn't even manage 5 yards per carry.

What do you think would happen if Fournette wasn't being the 120% focus of every snap? That at any point in time, the ball could be switched to Guice or kept by Harris or an end around with Chark/Dural? Not 3 or 4 times in a year, but 3 or 4 times per game. What about simpler passes that get our athletic and talented guys in space to make plays instead of forcing them to go deep all the time?

Do you expect RBs like Fournette and Guice to become the norm? That's our offense right now, just being incredibly more talented than 90% of the competition.

To be an effective power running team, you must have more than one or two dominant O Linemen...when is the last year we had 5 dominant OLmen...several years ago!
I agree that the strategy must evolve to fit the times...and hopefully add more dominant OLmen...

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Gary Patterson had been running pro style forever with TCU, but when Fuente left. he grabbed air raid Doug Meacham (Houston) and Sonny Cumbie (Texas Tech). His team instantly went from crappy, clunky, outdated pro style to offensive powerhouse juggernaut air raid + running game. The top 3 rushers (based on carries) went from 1114 yards 3.92 ypc 13 TDs in clunky pro style, to 2122 yards 5.6 ypc and 27 TDs in the air raid.

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Meanwhile, a once stout defense became very ordinary.

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I'm seeing how you think becoming a "spread team" would all of a sudden cause us to gain all of these phantom yards.

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I don't think I have ever seen even one poster on here say "LSU should become a spread team". All coach Miles and Cam are saying is that we need to catch up to where the rest of the football world is on the offense side of the ball.

Don't worry, LSU football is not going to give up on running many of the archaic power run plays that you and your ilk have come so much to love.

Exactly. Patterson gave up his once stout defenses for a fast paced offense.

LSU should never become a spread team. You can run read option plays and not be spread. LSU needs to add a little creativity in play calling and make teams respect the pass. Kiffin has shown that you can be a pro-style offense and score points. Saban adapts and is able to run a pro offense and still run clock and let his defense rest.

LSU has the same type of athletes on offense as Bama, and better in some cases. There is no reason our offense can't be as effective as theirs. Saban adapted 3 years ago. Les hasn't to this point