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re: Looking back at the initial reaction after Johnny Jones was hired
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:51 pm to tgr4ever
Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:51 pm to tgr4ever
If you look back, I said over and over that he was full of passion and a great recruiter. There were a lot of negative posters but I knew Johnny was the right choice. If Daddy Dale was in his corner, so was I. I was at every game during the Dale era and he was still the best thing to ever happen to LSU basketball IMO...
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 8:57 pm to mpwilging
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If Daddy Dale was in his corner, so was I. I was at every game during the Dale era and he was still the best thing to ever happen to LSU basketball IMO...
I'll never be confused as a Dale guy, and I was an engaged fan for all his years but his first. But that's a whole other long thread and I've been in enough and done that.
Johnny is a very different coach from Dale. I'm over my initial anger and I"m all in. But I still think the jury is out. That's all I"m saying.
I am very hopeful we can come back in 4 or 5 years with a unanimous thumbs up verdict.
Geaux Johnny!
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:05 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I wouldn't go that far Palm Beach. South Carolina is smaller than us and they lost one of their best players for the year early and they were pretty bad with him. Georgia has no inside presence of note. And yes, JOB3 wasn't 100% but IMHO that wasn't the whole story behind his struggles.
Height isn't what I'm really talking about. We have 2 guys that are really supposed to play the 4 or 5. JOB who is really a 4. And ADP who, while he is much better then last year, is a 11th or 12th man that can play the 5. Well, JOB was injured. Yes, USC had guys that while are short they are 4s. They were brought in to be 4s and are used to the post. They also had some real nice size coming in off the bench. We did out rebound them, but we win that game if JOB is 100 percent. I'm sure of it. UGA has a lot of size compared to us.
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I'll judge this years team on the season as a whole
Just remember where this team would be had JoJO not came in and grabbed those last minute committs that JJ would have never gotten. We would probably have won 5 to 7 games this year with JJ. This team was supposed to be a disaster.
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And I'll declare victory when victory is earned, not before and it will be years before a credible judgement on that can be made on that. I've just been around too long to do otherwise.
That is cool and all, but realize that what JJ has done so far, really is good. Look at what we add next year. We have a better class coming in then Duke does. I mean.....there is no reason to be down on our B Ball right now.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:09 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I'll never be confused as a Dale guy, and I was an engaged fan for all his years but his first. But that's a whole other long thread and I've been in enough and done that.
Johnny is a very different coach from Dale. I'm over my initial anger and I"m all in. But I still think the jury is out. That's all I"m saying.
From what I have seen, JoJo is every bit the recruiter Dale was and a much better coach. Dale would have been have been a legend if he could coach because we sure as hell had the talent. JoJo is already proving to be much better in that aspect. And the talent is on its way.
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I am very hopeful we can come back in 4 or 5 years with a unanimous thumbs up verdict.
I'm willing to say that you will be looking back with thumbs up next year. We will be fighting for an NCAA tourny birth.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:13 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
quote:I think you could say the same about the Cocks. JOB3's shot selection and poor decision making were as much an issue if not more than his ankle in those games.
Height isn't what I'm really talking about. We have 2 guys that are really supposed to play the 4 or 5. JOB who is really a 4.
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Just remember where this team would be had JoJO not came in and grabbed those last minute committs that JJ would have never gotten. We would probably have won 5 to 7 games this year with JJ. This team was supposed to be a disaster.
Just to be clear, just because Trent would not have filled some of the spots that Johnny did does not mean anyone else we hired would not have. Again I'm not judging Johnny against Trent. That's shooting fish in a barrel.
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That is cool and all, but realize that what JJ has done so far, really is good. Look at what we add next year. We have a better class coming in then Duke does. I mean.....there is no reason to be down on our B Ball right now.
I'm not down on our basketball team, I'm just not gonna overdo it, and I'm not going to rationalize. I still think reasonable accountability is fair, and I think I've been reasonable. I've thrown boquets the last two games because we earned them.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:13 pm to mpwilging
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There were a lot of negative posters but I knew Johnny was the right choice.
Kudos. I myself thought it was an awful hire at first. Then he started landing players for us so late in the game that I couldn't believe it. Then I started reading what the N Texas people had to say about him. Next thing you know he is hauling in a monster class for next year. Our team this year was going to be historically bad. I hope most people realize this.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:14 pm to tgr4ever
little too early for this kind of thread
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:16 pm to LockdownDefense
quote:Damn son you went ham in that thread. You embarrassed brah?
little too early for this kind of thread
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:16 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I still think reasonable accountability is fair,
Maybe this is where we differ. I truly believe this team was going to be historically bad. It looks to me like we will have a mediocre season and maybe even make some sort of post season. I think that is coming in above expectations. Next year you can half put on JoJo, and after that it is all on him. Just my opinion.
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does not mean anyone else we hired would not have
I don't think you understand just how late JoJo came in. He pulled off a miracle getting those guys that late. Ask anyone that follows recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 9:20 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:17 pm to LockdownDefense
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little too early for this kind of thread
Exactly, as said by another earlier, the "I told you so" stuff is waaaay premature.
Reason for some guarded optimism, I'll give everyone that.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:21 pm to tgr4ever
Wow, this was my post in the thread...
He did all those except flip Gathers who isn't exactly tearing things up this year at Baylor. And Johnny Jones got us a few surprises in Shane Hammink and Charles Carmouche. He also did the unpossible and made Andrew Del Piero a BASKETBALL PLAYER
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I'm glad we got someone, wish it was someone a little more prominent, but at least everyone in the program backs this guy, which is more than what Trent Johnson could say.
Next step - get Hickey/ JOBIII to stay, flip Gathers, sign Coleman...go get us a surprise.
He did all those except flip Gathers who isn't exactly tearing things up this year at Baylor. And Johnny Jones got us a few surprises in Shane Hammink and Charles Carmouche. He also did the unpossible and made Andrew Del Piero a BASKETBALL PLAYER
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:29 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Maybe this is where we differ. I truly believe this team was going to be historically ba
There's the problem. We really do differ there. You don't have to go very far back to find two LSU teams much worse than this one, so not sure in what context you define historically bad, but I did not expect us to be that bad at all. I didn't think we were a great or even good team coming in, but I obviously thought us much better than you did.
That's obviously where we are miles apart and if that's what you saw I see why you are so excited.
I have been excited about the last two games and JJ will recruit. He's had some good fortune in the circumstances of his two biggest recruits but I don't hold that against him. But I'm not gonna use the Trent wouldn't have gotten them though, cause though true it's irrelevant and off point. Comparison to Trent is not the litmus test.
Johnny will have plenty of time to prove himself. He hasn't yet. Again, that's all I'm saying.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:37 pm to Tiger Ugly
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There's the problem. We really do differ there. You don't have to go very far back to find two LSU teams much worse than this one, so not sure in what context you define historically bad, but I did not expect us to be that bad at all. I didn't think we were a great or even good team coming in, but I obviously thought us much better than you did.
Take Carmouche, Corbin Collins, and Coleman off this team. And lets say Del Pietro is the Del Pietro from last year. I say we win 7 games total, tops. We would be Dale's last year bad. Again, just my opinion.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:46 pm to tgr4ever
I think you are overestimating the importance of LSU basketball to most fans. Most did not care about the hire. Some fans liked the connection to Dale Brown and the fact that Jones was an LSU man. Some of the few LSU basketball fans that actually go to the games wanted LSU to reach a little higher. Don't put down the people who actually care about the program and want it to hire the best coach available.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 9:51 pm to Palm Beach Tiger
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Take Carmouche, Corbin Collins, and Coleman off this team. And lets say Del Pietro is the Del Pietro from last year. I say we win 7 games total, tops. We would be Dale's last year bad. Again, just my opinion.
Collins, not sure he's given us anything at all in the SEC that I can recall, and given that early season schedule, I think we probably still win most of those without him.
I think any coach we hire get's Coleman and Hammink (heck I think Trent probably even gets them despite himself) and I also think Del Piero is the player he is this year no matter who we hire. He's put in alot of work and has improved every minute he's been here, including last year. I saw the progression in practices over the last two years.
Carmouche I'll give Johnny props. Even so, you thinking no other coach we could have hired gets anybody else in? They just stand pat? Again, put Trent to the side, we're not talking about Trent. He's gone by this time.
But I guess what you are saying is that before we got those guys we would be historically bad? I guess, but even given that presumptuous hypothetical, I think with Hickey, Morgan and JOB3 we're better than Trent's teams year 2 and 3 and those teams were as bad as Dale's last team.
So even then, I'm not quite with you.
My take is given the roster we started the year with I still think reasonable accountability is fair and that we've fallen short a few times in that regard. I bet even Johnny would agree with that.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:02 pm to Tiger Ugly
I disagree with most of that. lol I don't think Trent picks up Coleman or Carmouch and Hammink was fifty fifty. Who knows what another coach comes in and does, but I don't think he makes that haul that late. Del Pietro was really bad last year. Not worth being on the roster bad. And while he isn't starting caliber now, he is worthy of a scholly now. Collins hasn't done much, I agree there. I think winning an SEC game under those circumstances would be probably about right, but maybe even no wins at all. We probably beat a few cream puffs early on. Especially if JOB gets hurt for that stretch as well.
ETA: and for the record, I believe Dale's last team wasn't nearly as good as its awful record. lol
ETA: and for the record, I believe Dale's last team wasn't nearly as good as its awful record. lol
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:21 pm to tgr4ever
Regardless of his success , JJ Was not a sought after coach and his résumé is not that great. There was no reason for fans to be uber excited.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:25 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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My concern with JJ is once our talent level approaches that of the Kentucky's, Florida's, and other proven programs, can JJ match up with the coaching ability you find at those programs.
Honestly. Cbb come down to talent. If you have a 6'10 power forward that can dunk on everyone on the court , other coaches aren't saying, " damn why didn't I draw up that play?"
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:49 pm to junkfunky
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A lot of people thought and still think we're prettier than we actually are. It's a great way to set yourself up for disappointment.
Before 2001 you could argue that LSU basketball had more notable historic success than LSU football. Still, in 1999 a coach that the NFL was courting signed to coach the sleeping giant LSU football program. Now, granted, Louisiana basketball isn't Louisiana football in terms of talent. But if you could get the best from LA every year along with raiding Houston, the rest of the gulf coast, and a few national recruits here and there, there is no reason you can't consistently be around the top 3 in the SEC. We just haven't had a national bball coach smart enough to see the potential like Saban did. Hopefully Jones will be successful enough that it won't matter.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 10:57 pm to tgr4ever
There were a TON of people saying they weren't impressed with the hire but wanted to see how he did once he got here. Nothing wrong with that feeling. I was happy we got a guy that wants to be LSU's coach and not using us as a stepping stone.
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