re: list of college coaches that ranters prefer over miles

miles has more talent at lsu than them schools put together so he should win alot more consistently!

Saban
Spurrier
Belicheck
Norv Turner
Jerry Jones
Mile Ditka

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And you think that talent is at LSU by accident? or perhaps "manifest destiny" given the great facilities, talent base, etc.? Or actually, perhaps some of the credit should go to the coach for bringing that talent here (as not everyone before him was able to do).

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Did I say it was an accident or that he doesn't get credit? Nope....

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His teams may sometimes play down to the level of competition

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Sometimes? It happens far too often and the coaches, particularly the head coach, gets credit for that as well.

Anyone can play up for the challenge but I think a better challenge is getting your team ready and executing like you should against inferior opponents and that's something that hardly happens. We out talent most teams in the SEC. Obviously Miles can recruit but he couldn't coach himself out of a wet paper bag. I accept that and just try to be positive. Constantly bitching isn't going to change anything.

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Since 2010 Bama has had 20 players drafted into the NFL, Ga 18, LSU 17, and Fla 15.

Nationally... UCS 19, Okla 18, Miami 18,
Neb 14, Wiscon. 13........

Are we talented...sure. Do we have some telling talent advantage over other top teams...no.imo

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This is all the more reason that we need to stop handicapping ourselves on O. We play Bama and UF every year.

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This is all the more reason that we need to stop handicapping ourselves on O.

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I think most people know we need to do better in our passing game.

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We play Bama and UF every year.

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Yeah, aren't we lucky.

And while we play Fla, who is winning 70% of their SEC games since 05, Bama is playing Tenn, who is winning 44% of their SEC games since 05 while going 1-6 vs Bama.

I know, I know...stop whining...we are LSU.

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That's all nice and everything, but the thing is...LM is 18-4 in the SEC since 2010 which happens to top the SEC in wins

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You entirely missed the point. Let's recap: The OP compared Miles to replacement candidates from other conferences and less advantaged schools, then came to the conclusion that Miles was a "better coach" because he had a superior record over the same time period. That reasoning is inadequate. As I've pointed out three times, that metric would lead someone to conclude that DiNardo was a better coach than Saban in 1997. Ridiculous. The proper analysis is far more complex.

As to your point about the SEC, let's be honest. There are only a few teams in the conference that consistently matched LSU's depth and talent over the last five years. They are: Florida, UGA, and BAMA. Against those three schools, since 2008, Miles is something like 6-7. (By comparison, saban is something like 7-3 against the same set over the same period.) The rest of the SEC teams clearly have had less talent than LSU over the last half decade (Vandy, KY, Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Tennessee) or have been erratic (SC, AU - Auburn was brilliant in 2010, but that season was sandwiched between 5-7, 8-5, 8-5, and this year's atrocity, they are hard to categorize).

In any event - at least up until he lost the top four players in the state last season - I have always regarded Miles as a marquee recruiter. If last year was an anomoly, I will continue to do so. He deserves credit for the talent level on the team. But by the same token, when he faces one of the big three, his record doesn't indicate a dominant X's and O's coach.

Saban
That's it.

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We have out talented most teams, and the ones we lost to just out coached us. We won't be able to survive on talent alone forever.

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So we're just disregarding that Miles outcoached Saban 2 of the last 3 mathcups?