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Lets clear up the Declan Sullivan incident
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:09 am
I see many people here upset with the hire because of the incident in which Declan Sullivan was killed. So here are the facts of the case as reported by OSHA after their investigation.
1. Notre Dame as an institution was found responsible. Not one person and not Brian Kelly.
2. The conclusion from the investigation is that no one person acted in disregard for safety.
3. The university had no way to measure on-field wind readings to determine wind speed. Coaches used a weather report from before 2 pm to determine to practice outside. Those reports were for wind gust up to 30 mph. Practice started at 3:45 pm and gusts reached 50+ mph.
4. The report acknowled that Brian Kelly was advised by 3 people about the safety of holding practice outside that day; they were the director of football operations, head athletic trainer, and Declan Sullivan's boss, the director of football video and film. None advised him to practice indoors. (Not good look for Kelly, but not sure what was said to him. Was it "hey coach its gonna be windy today" or was it "coach its not gonna be safe to practice out there today")
5. Notre Dame was fined $77,500 for lack of proper lift training for student employees and the failure of the university to recognize the hazardous weather conditions.
6. Declan Sullivan's boss, decided to use Declan instead of a female videographer that day as to "not scare her".
7. The use of scissor lift and aerial lifts were used throughout the college landscape to film practices as normal policy. After the incident, the use of aerial lifts was banned by most if not all universities.
I read alot of articles regarding this situation as OSHA and workplace accidents are my area of expertise. Considering what I've read, it seems Notre Dame did not have a proper policy regarding safe operations of an aerial lift if they even had one. Also, it seems they did not have a inclement weather policy in place also.
So how can we blame Kelly for not knowing about aerial lift safety or incliment weather safety if he was never trained on it? If you wonder why he was never fired or held accountable for this incident, that is your answer. Notre Dame could not fire him for this as they failed as an instution to protect and train their workers.
1. Notre Dame as an institution was found responsible. Not one person and not Brian Kelly.
2. The conclusion from the investigation is that no one person acted in disregard for safety.
3. The university had no way to measure on-field wind readings to determine wind speed. Coaches used a weather report from before 2 pm to determine to practice outside. Those reports were for wind gust up to 30 mph. Practice started at 3:45 pm and gusts reached 50+ mph.
4. The report acknowled that Brian Kelly was advised by 3 people about the safety of holding practice outside that day; they were the director of football operations, head athletic trainer, and Declan Sullivan's boss, the director of football video and film. None advised him to practice indoors. (Not good look for Kelly, but not sure what was said to him. Was it "hey coach its gonna be windy today" or was it "coach its not gonna be safe to practice out there today")
5. Notre Dame was fined $77,500 for lack of proper lift training for student employees and the failure of the university to recognize the hazardous weather conditions.
6. Declan Sullivan's boss, decided to use Declan instead of a female videographer that day as to "not scare her".
7. The use of scissor lift and aerial lifts were used throughout the college landscape to film practices as normal policy. After the incident, the use of aerial lifts was banned by most if not all universities.
I read alot of articles regarding this situation as OSHA and workplace accidents are my area of expertise. Considering what I've read, it seems Notre Dame did not have a proper policy regarding safe operations of an aerial lift if they even had one. Also, it seems they did not have a inclement weather policy in place also.
So how can we blame Kelly for not knowing about aerial lift safety or incliment weather safety if he was never trained on it? If you wonder why he was never fired or held accountable for this incident, that is your answer. Notre Dame could not fire him for this as they failed as an instution to protect and train their workers.
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Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:12 am to Reeaholic
LSU has steel towers for the practice field, should not be a problem here.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:15 am to Reeaholic
Good gawd, OP has had his face trolled off
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:16 am to Reeaholic
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So how can we blame Kelly for not knowing about aerial lift safety or incliment weather safety if he was never trained on it?
At some point common sense needs to take over. Multiple people should have said no.
Shouldnt even have been up there in 30mph winds.
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The scissor lift was not supposed to be used in winds above 28 mph, but the weather service had issued a warning saying winds of 25 mph to 35 mph were expected with gusts of up to 45 mph. Torres said the university was at fault for allowing Sullivan to be in the lift after the weather service had issued the advisory.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:16 am to Reeaholic
Here’s how I see it:
Any normal person should’ve thought “hmm, it’s kinda windy today, maybe we shouldn’t use that lift” but if ND didn’t have any kind of official policy towards that sort of thing, you can’t blame Kelly too much for not giving it much thought. It probably (obviously) just wasn’t top of mind. He was concerned with doing his job and that was getting his team to practice. Someone else should’ve been in charge of safety for the lift.
Was it a stupid decision? Absolutely, but accidents happen. That’s not to downplay the death of a student in the least, though. What happened was tragic and no doubt a stain on Brian Kelly and Notre Dame. That kids parents will never get over the death of their son. However, Brian Kelly’s job was not to discern the safety of using the lift, therefore you can’t really hold him 100% responsible.
All that said, I’m thrilled Brian Kelly is the LSU coach now. I can’t wait to see what the future holds.
Any normal person should’ve thought “hmm, it’s kinda windy today, maybe we shouldn’t use that lift” but if ND didn’t have any kind of official policy towards that sort of thing, you can’t blame Kelly too much for not giving it much thought. It probably (obviously) just wasn’t top of mind. He was concerned with doing his job and that was getting his team to practice. Someone else should’ve been in charge of safety for the lift.
Was it a stupid decision? Absolutely, but accidents happen. That’s not to downplay the death of a student in the least, though. What happened was tragic and no doubt a stain on Brian Kelly and Notre Dame. That kids parents will never get over the death of their son. However, Brian Kelly’s job was not to discern the safety of using the lift, therefore you can’t really hold him 100% responsible.
All that said, I’m thrilled Brian Kelly is the LSU coach now. I can’t wait to see what the future holds.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:17 am to Reeaholic
High schools all over the country do this.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:17 am to TDsngumbo
All of what he said.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:25 am to msptigers
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Good gawd, OP has had his face trolled off
Not really, I enjoy reading OSHA reports and interpretations. Its part of my job and luckily I enjoy mine.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:28 am to FreddieMac
LSU didn't build and install those towers until after that incident
It made all colleges look at it
It made all colleges look at it
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:33 am to Reeaholic
quote:Those look like quotes from the ND report.
So here are the facts of the case as reported by OSHA after their investigation
You don't want to argue this one. The lift should never have been used in 30 mph winds. Also Kelly being told it was dangerous to practice outside yet someone would have to tell him to practice inside??? How does that even make sense when he obviously chose to practice outside?
It is a bad mark and BK is lucky the kid was from a very pro ND Catholic family. Likewise there was probably a HUGE settlement.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:37 am to Reeaholic
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Not really, I enjoy reading OSHA reports and interpretations. Its part of my job and luckily I enjoy mine.
You wrote a thesis defending an incident that happened more than a decade ago at a different school because someone on the internet was talking shite about the new LSU coach....that's the definition of getting trolled.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 9:59 am to msptigers
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You wrote a thesis defending an incident that happened more than a decade ago at a different school because someone on the internet was talking shite about the new LSU coach....that's the definition of getting trolled.
STFU. I appreciate the info.
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:20 am to mmcgrath
OSHA reports aren't going to give you what a person said to another so reading both reports to give an idea of what happened was warranted. There were more things that were puff in thd ND report I didn't add.
For tranparency since you're crying
Parts 1. 3. 5. were OSHA (Regarding part 1. OSHA will pursue legal action against an individual if gross negligence is suspected, no one was charged but ND was fined)
Parts 2. 4. and 6. were ND report. (I said part 4 didn't look good for Kelly)
Parts 7 was from another article regarding the accident
And you missed my point, ND as an instituion has an obligation to protect their workers and students through policies and training of said policies.
Yes bad decisions were made but hindsight is always 20/20. I doubt you know the OSHA standard for wind regarding aerial lifts? I doubt Brian Kelly knew it either and thats part of why the bad decision was made to practice outside.
For tranparency since you're crying
Parts 1. 3. 5. were OSHA (Regarding part 1. OSHA will pursue legal action against an individual if gross negligence is suspected, no one was charged but ND was fined)
Parts 2. 4. and 6. were ND report. (I said part 4 didn't look good for Kelly)
Parts 7 was from another article regarding the accident
And you missed my point, ND as an instituion has an obligation to protect their workers and students through policies and training of said policies.
Yes bad decisions were made but hindsight is always 20/20. I doubt you know the OSHA standard for wind regarding aerial lifts? I doubt Brian Kelly knew it either and thats part of why the bad decision was made to practice outside.
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