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re: Let us talk Les Miles for a second....
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:42 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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Is that why he pulled Lee in the game of the century?
He went back to his safety net. That is his major issue. Lee had some bad throws, one off a bad snap, and got benched. Fine, but to refuse to switch back and hand over the reigns permanently to Jefferson showed Miles' true colors. If Miles had his way, he likely had JJ starting from day 1 in 2011, or at least once he got back from suspension.
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Or why he fixed the co DC thing quickly?
Quickly? It should never have happened to begin with. Neither guy showed the capability to do the job, much less split duty. He let them go after i took a losing season in the SEC with a mediocre defense. Again, reactive rather than proactive. Do you understand what those mean?
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Well at least you can acknowledge that it's not fair. Les has done more here than any other coach, and you choose to focus on the negative. Tells me all I need to know about you.
And Les has been given more than any other coach here. Why do you love to ignore that fact? DiNardo, for example, lost top assistants because LSU refused to pay them over $120k, yet Miles is given over $500k for a freaking position coach. Do people not understand how much Les has had compared to any other coach before him?
I am not saying Les is horrible, but I don't have to like him because he's won a bunch of games. I love LSU, that to me is what matters. Given every advantage he's had, Les has underperformed in my opinion. As much as people want to criticize Saban's 2012 championship, LSU's 2-loss championship in 2007 is just as criticize-able.
To clarify, I don't like Saban. I don't hate Miles. I simply don't think he's as good as some of his sunshine pumpers want to believe, and my expectations of LSU's teams under him show that.
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:45 pm to Geauxgurt
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And Les has been given more than any other coach here. Why do you love to ignore that fact? DiNardo, for example, lost top assistants because LSU refused to pay them over $120k, yet Miles is given over $500k for a freaking position coach. Do people not understand how much Les has had compared to any other coach before him?
this ain't the 90's. do understand why LSU can afford to pay Miles' assistants more money?
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I simply don't think he's as good as some of his sunshine pumpers want to believe, and my expectations of LSU's teams under him show that.
wtf does this even mean?
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:46 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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Now why he didn't lead the SEC in touches is all on Miles.
And Hill and Hilliard and Mason and Yeldon and Gurley.................
Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:49 pm to Geauxgurt
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I could care less if I like the
COULDN'T CARE LESS
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I think he's a man that has greatly benefited from the situation he got himself into here at LSU
like what? he's been here 10 f'n years...he's made his own situation
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Simply put, Les is a guy that is a pretty good recruiter, and good at hiring when given enough chances, but is absolutely resistant to change until his hand is forced. He's very reactive and not very proactive at all. The 2006 season's offense showed this and his handling and firing of several coaches including Crowton and Studs showed this.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:06 pm to Choctaw
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this ain't the 90's. do understand why LSU can afford to pay Miles' assistants more money?
That is irrelevant. The point is LSU wasn't willing to pay market value for its top assistants back then, and are willing to pay HC salaries to assistants now for Miles. They paid more than before when Saban got here too, and he benefited from it as well.
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wtf does this even mean?
That I don't expect NC's with Miles as head coach going forward from here. It doesn't mean he can't achieve them, but I expect LSU to finish in the 2-3 range in the West under him from here on out. Anything else is a bonus, but I don't expect greatness out of Miles. I expect what he's delivered, and I don't see a season like 2007 happening again.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:14 pm to Geauxgurt
Wait nvm, just read all of your trash on this page....
Wtf do y'all want from him?? Do you want the MFer to run the table every damn year in the toughest division in CFB??
Honestly man, tell me this... What will it take for Miles to earn your respect??
Wtf do y'all want from him?? Do you want the MFer to run the table every damn year in the toughest division in CFB??
Honestly man, tell me this... What will it take for Miles to earn your respect??
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:17 pm to Choctaw
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COULDN'T CARE LESS
Ah a typo/misuse of a word, excuse me. I was typing it fast, but clearly that is what you resort to when defending your idol. Ignore legitimate arguments that don't laud him and attack a typo.
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like what? he's been here 10 f'n years...he's made his own situation
Let's see, you think Miles coming in after Hallman or after DiNardo has the same results as he does now? I doubt he wins an NC in his 3rd year, much less an SEC title in his first 5 or division title in his first season. Les isn't a bad coach, he's a good coach, but to ignore the situation he walked into when looking at his success is disingenuous.
He took over a loaded team that helped him achieve a 34 and 6 record in his first 3 seasons or an 85% winning percentage in his first 3 years. Since then, he's 61-18 or a 77% winning percentage.
You don't think he benefited at all from what he walked into? Take out his best and worst seasons in that time frame and he's 40-12 an still 77% winning percentage. In a 13 game season (assuming a bowl game), that's a 10-3 average.
Winning helps in recruiting, and he had talent to win and win big from the get go.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:19 pm to Mr. Hangover
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It just seems like for most LSU fans it's one extreme or the other
True. I think people take things a bit too seriously, but Bama and Auburn's success has partly driven this.
If LSU even shows up for the NC game on 1/9/2012, I think a lot of people wouldn't have shifted so far negatively, but that game burned a lot of positive energy Miles had gained towards himself, and while I think some took it to an extreme, he deserves a ton of criticism for that game and to be knocked down a peg or two by everyone even if they still think he's the greatest think since sliced bread.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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He took over a loaded team that helped him achieve a 34 and 6 record in his first 3 seasons or an 85% winning percentage in his first 3 years. Since then, he's 61-18 or a 77% winning percentage
Oh so the only reason he's successful is bc Saban put LSU on the pedestal right??
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:23 pm to Geauxgurt
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That is irrelevant.
no its not. LSU makes alot more money now
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The point is LSU wasn't willing to pay market value for its top assistants back then
you're assuming LSU assistants were worth market value
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but I expect LSU to finish in the 2-3 range in the West under him from here on out.
im sure you've said this since Miles was hired
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:26 pm to Geauxgurt
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I don't have to like him because he's won a bunch of games. I
Lucky for Miles that's exactly why LSU likes him and Michigan and Arkansas wanted him.
You are a few cards short of a full deck.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:28 pm to Geauxgurt
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Let's see, you think Miles coming in after Hallman or after DiNardo has the same results as he does now?
yes. you should take a look at that 2000 roster Dinardo left us
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He took over a loaded team that helped him achieve a 34 and 6 record in his first 3 seasons or an 85% winning percentage in his first 3 years.
he took a team that went 9-3 and lost to Iowa in the bowl game to a 1 loss regular season and SEC West title
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You don't think he benefited at all from what he walked into?
sure he did....just like Saban did. what i don't think is that was the only reason he succeeded....like you apparently do.
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Winning helps in recruiting, and he had talent to win and win big from the get go.
and he could've quickly gone downhill after it left...but he didn't. as a matter of fact...the vast majority of that '07 team never even saw the field under Saban
but let me guess...you think Miles only wins because a bunch of really good high school kids decide to come to LSU
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:37 pm to Choctaw
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no its not. LSU makes alot more money now
Yes it is. LSU had an AD that refused to pay assistants. Making more money helps, but I doubt LSU under Joe Dean was paying assistants the value relative to the market like they do now.
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you're assuming LSU assistants were worth market value
Carl Reese was more than worth market value. There is a reason DiNardo could only get Tepper when they hired a DC in 98.
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im sure you've said this since Miles was hired
Not really, I have been skeptical, but gave him a chance early in his tenure here. I simply don't think he is focused enough with his team (attention to detail) that can make LSU a perennial title winner or contender. By contender I mean a team that is 1-2 losses at most with no blow-out losses.
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yes. you should take a look at that 2000 roster Dinardo left us
Did I say it was the only reason? No. I said he benefited from it. There is a difference. Miles is a good coach, but just not as good as some of you believe.
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he took a team that went 9-3 and lost to Iowa in the bowl game to a 1 loss regular season and SEC West title
You mean the 9-3 team that was a bogus xp rule away from being in the SEC title while playing musical chairs with a RS freshman QB? I love how that season is looked at as some horrible/mediocre team.
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sure he did....just like Saban did. what i don't think is that was the only reason he succeeded....like you apparently do.
True. Saban has benefited with talent left behind, but left LSU in better shape than he found it. I can't say the same about Miles honestly.
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and he could've quickly gone downhill after it left...but he didn't. as a matter of fact...the vast majority of that '07 team never even saw the field under Saban
but let me guess...you think Miles only wins because a bunch of really good high school kids decide to come to LSU
It could've, but Miles is a decent coach. Why does anyone claiming he's not the second coming mean he's horrible to you. I think people overrate maintaining success with "greatness". Miles is a good coach in a very good situation that helps produce pretty good results. Enough said.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:51 pm to Geauxgurt
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Making more money helps, but I doubt LSU under Joe Dean was paying assistants the value relative to the market like they do now.
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Carl Reese was more than worth market value. There is a reason DiNardo could only get Tepper when they hired a DC in 98.
both assumptions
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Not really, I have been skeptical, but gave him a chance early in his tenure here
highly doubtful
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I simply don't think he is focused enough with his team (attention to detail) that can make LSU a perennial title winner or contender. By contender I mean a team that is 1-2 losses at most with no blow-out losses.
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Miles is a good coach, but just not as good as some of you believe.
or maybe he is
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You mean the 9-3 team that was a bogus xp rule away from being in the SEC title while playing musical chairs with a RS freshman QB? I love how that season is looked at as some horrible/mediocre team.
ahhh...i see its ok to make excuses as long as Saban was the coach
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True. Saban has benefited with talent left behind, but left LSU in better shape than he found it. I can't say the same about Miles honestly.
well thats a you problem.
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Why does anyone claiming he's not the second coming mean he's horrible to you
never said it.
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Miles is a good coach in a very good situation that helps produce pretty good results. Enough said.
pretty good results....
he's the winningest coach in LSU history. He also has the most wins in the SEC since he's arrived. He also has 3 SECCG appearances (no team has more) and 2 SEC championships (no team has more)
this is why nobody takes people like you seriouslyThis post was edited on 4/23/14 at 7:50 am
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:13 pm to LSU Groupee
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I don't have to like him because he's won a bunch of games.
Lucky for Miles that's exactly why LSU likes him and Michigan and Arkansas wanted him.
You are a few cards short of a full deck.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:29 pm to CecilShortsHisPants
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And Ford could have won a Heisman trophy if Miles would have utilized his elite combination of agility/quickness/speed/power/burst.
No disrespect to Ford at all, but
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:35 pm to Geauxgurt
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Lee had some bad throws, one off a bad snap, and got benched
Lee was completely overmatched by Saban's coverage schemes, why is that so hard to understand. Saban had his number and Les knew that.
Posted on 4/22/14 at 6:45 pm to Geauxgurt
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but left LSU in better shape than he found it. I can't say the same about Miles honestly.
Miles hasn't left, so we don't have that answer, but LSU is more loaded for the next 3-5 years from a player, staff and recruiting pipeline standpoint than anytime in my 40 years of following them
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:04 pm to ForeLSU
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Miles hasn't left, so we don't have that answer, but LSU is more loaded for the next 3-5 years from a player, staff and recruiting pipeline standpoint than anytime in my 40 years of following them
Do you think that his starting point hasn't helped that? I'd say LSU's 2005 and 2007 teams were pretty damn loaded on offense and defense with talent left by his predecessor.
I am not saying he will leave it less than he got it. I hope he leaves it in great shape, and think he will maintain LSU in a good position. I've never said otherwise, but when people like Choctaw act like he inherited some talentless team or mediocre (9-3) team, it kills taking them seriously.
I think Les is a pretty darn good coach. Is he the best? IMO, no. Can LSU do better than Miles? IMO, yes, but the right coach would need to be hired at the right time. I am enjoying LSU football, but I love the fact that if you don't love Les, call him a great and amazing coach (best LSU's had), then you are some miserable oaf.
I just don't understand why accepting that Les walked into a gold mine of talent and situation when he got here is so hard to accept. Does it mean he sucks? No. Would LSU have won as many games with any coach? No, not ANY coach.
In the end, Les is a good coach, but I am just not a fan of his. People like Choctaw need to accept that people have the right to that opinion without being "haters".
Posted on 4/22/14 at 7:22 pm to Geauxgurt
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Do you think that his starting point hasn't helped that?
IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS!!
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but when people like Choctaw act like he inherited some talentless team or mediocre (9-3) team, it kills taking them seriously.
never said that....just said that Miles did better with basically the exact same team. and add having to deal with Katrina on top of that.
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In the end, Les is a good coach, but I am just not a fan of his. People like Choctaw need to accept that people have the right to that opinion without being "haters".
i accept it...but i still think you're a "hater"
just last season you were calling him a "great coach" and praising him. seems like you're all over the place.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 7:30 pm
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