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re: Les Miles vs. Nick Saban

Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by LuckyLee
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:22 pm to
But dude, "Gerry Dinardo laid the foundation."

Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:26 pm to
yeah, they probably do think he laid the foundation.
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:28 pm to
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he comes back that Katrina year, his D definitely doesn't blow a lead against Tenn like Miles team did, and they go unbeaten the rest of the year like they did and crush Ga. in the SEC title game.



And with Miles, we would have never had lost to
Texas or Iowa. And seing UGA crushed Saban and LSU 45-16 the year before the 05 SEC-CG...well..
you're opinion is easily shot to pieces.
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:28 pm to
No, but with nine seconds to go on the clock, on a hail mary, you would think a defensive genius, who is utterly above blame, would have a FU#@ING safety in the endzone.

WHY IS NO ONE WAITING IN THE ENDZONE?
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:29 pm to
Technically, Dinardo did start it all. If it wasnt for the Tepper decision he would have never been fired. He was a great recruiter and good coach, he just had horrible assistants.

17 of the 25 players that went pro under Saban were Dinardo recruits, yet many will try to convince you that Saban came in with an empty cupboard.
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:29 pm to
Again, another excellent Saban illustration.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:30 pm to
my opinion is easily shot to pieces, your an idiot for just sayin that, did you even bother to read my return post about the UGA blowout in Ga., no, of course not because your hatred for Saban is so blind it renders your brain useless, I'm done.
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:31 pm to
I'll never say the that. The glass was more than half full. But do you not think that Bama had more talent than most admit with Schula?

IF (big if) Saban is as good as you think, he should be able to take care of business.

History proves otherwise.
Posted by CalLSU
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:31 pm to
Your post is not intelligent for 2 reasons, 1 you are completely incappable of reality. We don't know what saban would have done. He might not have beaten georgia or tennessee at all. And saying he would like it's a fact is just completely moronic. 2 would he have gone undefeated? Because that's what it would have taken to get to the national championship game. ANd then do you really think he would have beaten either texas or usc? I don't think so, that was one of those years where those 2 teams were clearly the best 2 teams. so at best saban, and this is just going off of what he did while at lsu, loses 1 game and then we still don't play for a national championship game.But i am sure in your completely warped view you are going to say that not only would saban have won all his games, a first, but we would have gone to the NCG and killed either of those teams, teams that had multiple first round draft picks and multiple players that actually play in the NFL
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:32 pm to
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I'm done.




FEAR THE HAT
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:32 pm to
Posted by LuckyLee
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:36 pm to
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Technically, Dinardo did start it all.


LMAO. Dinardo was fricking hated by your fan base until Saban went to Bama. He didn't start shite, that's why he got canned.

quote:

If it wasnt for the Tepper decision he would have never been fired. He was a great recruiter and good coach, he just had horrible assistants.



So he was a good coach and had good players, but it was his assistant coaches who ruined it all?


quote:

17 of the 25 players that went pro under Saban were Dinardo recruits, yet many will try to convince you that Saban came in with an empty cupboard.


He didn't, but Saban was the reason why LSU started winning big, not Dinardo's recruiting.
Posted by thekid
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:40 pm to
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Les Miles vs. Nick Saban
Here we go again....

Saban has consistantly been proven to lose three games a year. His lone exceptions were LSU in his third year and Bama last year.

Period.

His other 14 years went status quo. Look it up. Everyone pretty much expects a three loss, perhaps more, loss season at Bama this year.

So why isn't Saban going to win a NC (like he did at year three at LSU) when all the kids are his now? And why are many now thinking (moreso just recently) that LSU is the team to beat in the West?

Let's once again compare the coaches.

No one questions Saban's recruiting ability. However, if you look at ALL THREE of his recruiting classes at Bama, you'd see Miles is just as good over the last three years.

In fact, despite the fact Bama alleges two recruiting NC'c Miles' three year player/ star average is higher than Sabans.

Let's look at the records.

If you look at all 5 of his years at LSU, you'd realize Miles has the better record. While Saban
won the SEC in 2001 he also had seasons of 9-3, 8-4, and.....hmm.... 8-5.

That's right, Saban, three years into the system, will all that talent and all his recruiting, went 8-5 at LSU with skull drag 24 point losses to Auburn, 31 point loss to bama and 15 point loss to Texas, and a miracle win over UK.

How about that for a downhill free fall, or have you forgotten?

Just for the record:

Miles' worst year was better than Sabans
worst year.

Now compare the coaching technique,

Miles is a great offensive mind. Saban is a master defensive mind. Both are clearly better
in their respective speciality. The difference is that Miles surrounds himself while Saban tries to stand alone.

Miles openly admits he no defensive guru. Saban can't admit he knows little when it comes to offense, and goes through OC every year.

Saban is a control freak and Miles is not. And therein lies a huge difference between the two.

And this why Saban will eventually fail.

In the new age of coaching salaries, OC's and DC's (worth a damn) will command MUCH bigger salaries than now. That's why LSU is ahead of the curve, and Bama/Saban are not. $$$ not withstanding, No OC's worth a damn will work for Saban anymore.

Most OC's would do back flips to coach with Miles.
And so it goes with the rest of the staff, like our defensive coaches back whose salary we tripled
and took away from Steve Spurrier, who also suffers from the same type of problems Saban has.


If you ask me who'd I pick, the choice for a new millenium is obvious.

It's Miles, or someone like him.

The days of a Paterno, or Bear Bryant, Bowden,
etc., are just about gone. Either Saban will have to adapt, or the game will leave him behind, IMO, a lot like the way it's leaving Steve Spurrier at USC.

You're a complete fool to think otherwise. even most journalists, like Barhart at AJC who always despised Miles, now understands the Miles, and LSU, to the point where they think LSU will now be better than Bama.

Miles has only made one mistake in 5 years. He was very loyal and gave his buds a shot at DC. Unlike DiNardo, when it failed, Miles took care of it.

It's a shame you still can't see the whole picture. I assure you, Miles is a overall better coach than Saban.


I am not sure how this discussion continues after this post...
I admit I was bitter when Saban left because he is a good coach...but the FACTS point to the fact that Miles is better. And I am glad we have him.
PERIOD.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:40 pm to
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He didn't, but Miles was the reason why LSU kept winning big, not Saban's recruiting.


I guess it can go both ways then.
Posted by LuckyLee
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:41 pm to
Had Miles not lost 2 games in route to his NC, I might agree.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:42 pm to
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LMAO. Dinardo was fricking hated by your fan base until Saban went to Bama. He didn't start shite, that's why he got canned.


He was hated because he wouldnt fire Tepper, not because he was a shitty coach. Most people realized this.

Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:44 pm to
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Had Miles not lost 2 games in route to his NC, I might agree.


Whats your point? Every team that had a shot at the NC had two losses.
Posted by tubucoco
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:46 pm to
Saban's laid foundation is the reason why Miles kept winning big is what you should admit, but now he is playing with his own players so it doesn't matter anymore.
Posted by JPLSU1981
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:46 pm to
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LSU's records would have been better if we still had Saban here.


This is definitely not true and you obviously never heard about some of the "shite about to hit the fan" had Saban not left LSU for Miami.

That said, Saban is a better Xs and Os coach than Miles while Miles is a better program manager. Both came into perfect situations that suited their coaching styles at LSU. Both are proven winners, and we should feel lucky to have had them both here.
This post was edited on 4/7/09 at 12:48 pm
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 4/7/09 at 12:47 pm to
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you obviously never heard about some of the "shite about to hit the fan" had Saban not left LSU for Miami.

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