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re: Les Miles vs Dale Brown
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:44 am to LSUnowhas2
Posted on 1/18/12 at 10:44 am to LSUnowhas2
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I have watched that game and Bobby Knight outcoached Dale Brown the entire game.
You were about 6 years old when it was played, so you must have a copy of it. I doubt that.
What was your opinion of the phone incident in the first half?
What did you think of Woodside's defensive performance against Steve Alford?
Do you think Knight outcoached Dale because true freshman Fess Irvin missed a free throw to ice the game?
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Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:36 pm to LSU92
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You were about 6 years old when it was played, so you must have a copy of it. I doubt that.
[link=(
https://vault.ncaa.com/?game=306SR336_s01&seconds=0)]LSU - Indiana game - 1987[/link]
Actually, I was seven at the time and watched it with my dad. I have since seen the game replayed on the former classic sports network and ESPN Classic.
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What was your opinion of the phone incident in the first half?
I have no opinion. I don't even recall what you are talking about.
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What did you think of Woodside's defensive performance against Steve Alford?
I thought Woodside did a decent job guarding Alford but Alford hit shots when he needed to and was money on the freethrow line.
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Do you think Knight outcoached Dale because true freshman Fess Irvin missed a free throw to ice the game?
I think Bobby Knight outcoached Dale Brown because he won with a less athletic team and was able to make the necessary adjustments throughout the game to win. It was the classic fundamentals vs. athleticism showdown that has been played throughout the years.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:49 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
At least Miles never employed any kind of "Freak Defense".
Offense, maybe.
Offense, maybe.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 5:44 pm to LSUnowhas2
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What was your opinion of the phone incident in the first half?
I have no opinion. I don't even recall what you are talking about.
If you do not know the phone incident then you did not watch the game. That part will not be shown on classic sports networks and it won't be shown on ESPN Classic because it will show Bob Knight at a bad moment. If you don't know about it, you don't know shite about the game.
It was a major turning point of the game and should have gotten Knight ejected because it followed a technical foul he just received. Instead he intimidated the refs.
Knight had the number 1 seed in the region that year and almost lost to Browns 10 seed LSU team. So if you think Knight outcoached him, then add to the shite you already don't know.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:26 pm to LSUnowhas2
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I have no opinion. I don't even recall what you are talking about.
With about 11 left in the 1st half, Knight received a technical foul. He complained stopping the game for about 3 minutes. One minute later he protested another call. He proceeded to walk out to the free throw line (well out of the coaches box), but the officials did not feel a need to give him a second tech and a mandetory ejection.
As he walked back to the bench, he started arguing with the score keeper at midcourt. That conversation ended with Knight slamming a phone down on the scorer's table. Again, no tech. foul called. To this point in the game, Woodside was eating Alford's arse up basically holding him scoreless from the field. From this point on Indiana owned the refs. Case in point Indiana outscored LSU 21-4 at the line.
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I thought Woodside did a decent job guarding Alford but Alford hit shots when he needed to and was money on the freethrow line.
I talked to Woodside years later and he still can't believe the fouls called against him. Woodside is a very pleasent guy and laughed it off, but I think he knows they screwed him.
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I think Bobby Knight outcoached Dale Brown because he won with a less athletic team and was able to make the necessary adjustments throughout the game to win. It was the classic fundamentals vs. athleticism showdown that has been played throughout the years.
Indiana was a #1 seed and LSU was a #10 seed. Indiana eventually won the national championship that year. LSU lost by one point. I would hardly say he outcoached a severely undermanned Tiger team. That season LSU's record was 18-14 and nobody on that team played in the NBA.
Knight was one of the best ever no doubt. Based on the paragraph above, I don't think he should be bragging too much about his performance.
Your previous quoted statement attributed to Knight is nothing more than a cheap shot by him. I'm glad guys like you can carry it as a badge of honor to undermine the best hoops coach in LSU school history. Congrats.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:32 pm to ptra
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If you do not know the phone incident then you did not watch the game. That part will not be shown on classic sports networks and it won't be shown on ESPN Classic because it will show Bob Knight at a bad moment. If you don't know about it, you don't know shite about the game. It was a major turning point of the game and should have gotten Knight ejected because it followed a technical foul he just received. Instead he intimidated the refs. Knight had the number 1 seed in the region that year and almost lost to Browns 10 seed LSU team. So if you think Knight outcoached him, then add to the shite you already don't know.
Well put.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 8:03 pm to mmcgrath
Not really. How many National Championships did LSU have in basketball prior to Brown coming to LSU.
Brown came to build a program, Les came to sustain one.
Brown came to build a program, Les came to sustain one.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 10:06 am to roygu
I believe LSU won BB National Championship in 1935.
Recruiting was Brown's (as well as Miles') strong suit. Sometimes a program succeeds in spite of their coaches.
Knight simply intimidated the refs in that game. The SOB should have been thrown out.
One thing I remember about that game is that doosh
Billy Packer criticizing freshman Fess Irvin for missing clutch free throw.
Recruiting was Brown's (as well as Miles') strong suit. Sometimes a program succeeds in spite of their coaches.
Knight simply intimidated the refs in that game. The SOB should have been thrown out.
One thing I remember about that game is that doosh
Billy Packer criticizing freshman Fess Irvin for missing clutch free throw.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 10:21 am to oleskuledude
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Sometimes a program succeeds in spite of their coaches.
Do you think this is the case with Les Miles and Dale Brown?
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:06 pm to LSU92
Yup!
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:14 pm to mmcgrath
No Comparison. Dale Brown had to got out and get good players that don't exist in LA. A chimpanzee can get football recruits in LA because there is no competion like between Alabama and Auburn. Yet Miles gets very few 5-star recruits out of LA like Saban does. LSU will suck hind teat to Saban until Miles is gone. Look at NC game. Alabama physically whipped LSU at every position with a team just 2 years removed from BCS championship.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:15 pm to msli4388
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msli4388
who's shitty alter are you?
Posted on 1/19/12 at 2:50 pm to mmcgrath
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Les Miles vs Dale Brown
Been making this comparison for the last year or so.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 4:32 pm to LSU92
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Dale did very well for himself at a "football" school. In fact, LSU is still trying to desperately duplacate his success.
True dat!
Posted on 1/19/12 at 5:29 pm to roygu
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Brown came to build a program, Les came to sustain one.
totally correct.
It is also easier to win a football NC game than a BBall Tournament.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:33 pm to oleskuledude
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Yup!
Wow, you burned some brain cells on that answer.
How did the basketball program succeed dispite Dale Brown? You do realize he built the program. Every basketball standard for the program was set by him. Don't bother telling me about Petit and Maravich. Brown took it from the trash can and made it a national program.
If the football program is great despite Les Miles, why were all the coaches before him less successful? As a fan, I wish Dinardo would have succeeded despite himself. I liked that guy.
What about Arnsparger?
What about Archer?
What about Stovall?
Programs never succeed despite the coach. That is just dumb.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 11:35 pm to mmcgrath
Dale Brown was well spoken. Well read! And Honest, to the Truth! And Miles is none of the above.
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