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Les Miles vs Dale Brown
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:25 pm
Just a thought...
Early in the 80's everyone would watch Dale's teams overachieve and the common thought would be "I wonder how good LSU would be if Dale Brown got some big men to coach." Then he got Shaquille O'Neil, Stanley Roberts, Wayne Simms, Vernel Singleton, etc to go along with Chris Jackson, Boudreax (sp, should know it), and several others. As you know, far less than the 3 or 4 championships predicted by the players and coach.
Now we are going to see a Les Miles team with some really highly touted QB's. Just a worry that the O might not be as great as we think. Of course we had next year's likely starter this year, but I won't get into that.
Anyone else see the similarity?
(IMO, we will still rock 2012 because our D is a proven #1 and the QB's may be cocky enough to call their own plays in a championship game if nec.)
Early in the 80's everyone would watch Dale's teams overachieve and the common thought would be "I wonder how good LSU would be if Dale Brown got some big men to coach." Then he got Shaquille O'Neil, Stanley Roberts, Wayne Simms, Vernel Singleton, etc to go along with Chris Jackson, Boudreax (sp, should know it), and several others. As you know, far less than the 3 or 4 championships predicted by the players and coach.
Now we are going to see a Les Miles team with some really highly touted QB's. Just a worry that the O might not be as great as we think. Of course we had next year's likely starter this year, but I won't get into that.
Anyone else see the similarity?
(IMO, we will still rock 2012 because our D is a proven #1 and the QB's may be cocky enough to call their own plays in a championship game if nec.)
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Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:29 pm to mmcgrath
Considering how there is more parity in basketball than there is in football, this doesn't come across as a good comparison.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:31 pm to mmcgrath
LOL, only one problem with your post, Les Miles has actually WON something ! Les has gotten to the final game twice and is 1 and 1, dale got to the final game ZERO times and is 0 and 0 !
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:44 pm to LSU77
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LOL, only one problem with your post, Les Miles has actually WON something ! Les has gotten to the final game twice and is 1 and 1, dale got to the final game ZERO times and is 0 and 0 !
Dale never received the financial resources of any of the modern day football coaches. Everything Dale did, he did on his own. If you think money doesn't matter, think in terms of recruiting budgets alone. Dale did very well for himself at a "football" school. Infact, LSU is still trying to desperately duplacate his success.
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:47 pm to LSU92
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Dale never received the financial resources of any of the modern day football coaches. Everything Dale did, he did on his own. If you think money doesn't matter, think in terms of recruiting budgets alone. Dale did very well for himself at a "football" school. Infact, LSU is still trying to desperately duplacate his success.
+100000000
Not to mention Dale would have never made such a horrible personnel decision as putting jJ on the court and definitely wouldnt have left him in to basically singlehandedly loose the NC game
Posted on 1/17/12 at 11:58 pm to mmcgrath
Line will need to perform better than it did in the Championship game. That's the key to this whole thing. Not just the QB.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:04 am to faxis
CLM ran the Four Corners on JL!
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:21 am to LSU92
Bobby Knight said it best: " you give me one of those players,(O'Neal, Robertson, or Jackson) and I will win you a national championship. He didn't need any more money, he needed to learn how to coach. He could recruit and motivate. But he could not coach a championship team. 
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:36 am to LSU6969
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Bobby Knight said it best: " you give me one of those players,(O'Neal, Robertson, or Jackson) and I will win you a national championship. He didn't need any more money, he needed to learn how to coach. He could recruit and motivate. But he could not coach a championship team.
I love when you guys turn to the Bobby Knight quotes. Knight won more games than anybody in the history of the game up til this season. A great coach no doubt. Indiana basketball is a religion up there and is heavily funded. LSU basketball is treated as a step up from a recreational sport. It's like fighting a war with a BB gun.
Yet, Dale took those assholes to the wire in the regional final. I dare say, if the officials had any balls, Knight should have been ejected at the 10 minute mark of the first half. Also, don't forget that other big program named Kentucky. Dale went .500 with them from 1979 to 1993. Since then, I think LSU has beaten Kentucky twice. Sometimes we even played them more than once a year.
But, yea, another LSU fan thinks Dale Brown sucks and Bobby Knight is cool.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:46 am to mmcgrath
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Anyone else see the similarity?
The most glaring similarity is that they are each the most successful coaches at LSU (at their sport)in terms of winning percentage post 1970.
The other similarity is that a few posters here will tear down the good things they achieved at LSU.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 12:57 am to LSU92
I am not tearing down the success that Dale Brown brought to the LSU program. But you said he needed more money. He had all 3 of those players at the same time on one team. He didn't need money to teach them how to play as a team. Tell me some of your favorite basketball coaches of all time and then tell me if you think those coaches could have won a championship with that team. Dale Brown was a good man and a good fit for the program when he came here. That doesn't make him a good coach, but he is a beloved coach here.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:09 am to LSU6969
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The most glaring similarity is that they are each the most successful coaches at LSU (at their sport)in terms of winning percentage post 1970. The other similarity is that a few posters here will tear down the good things they achieved at LSU.
yes and yes
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But you said he needed more money. He had all 3 of those players at the same time on one team. He didn't need money to teach them how to play as a team. Tell me some of your favorite basketball coaches of all time and then tell me if you think those coaches could have won a championship with that team.
I think any of them would have had a difficult time with 2 of the 3 playing their first year of college basketball, and after that year CJ and Stanley were gone.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:17 am to LSU6969
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But you said he needed more money
Money fuels success in college athletics. Example LSU football on the Joe Dean budget vs the TAF years.
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He had all 3 of those players at the same time on one team
He had them for one year. Shaq was very raw as a frosh. In fact, he had trouble staying on the court because of foul trouble. Roberts had a great touch, but spent most of the season 30 pounds overweight. Dale actually benched him because he would not work it off. roberts was also in his first year.
Jackson was Jackson but he was a true 2 guard, not a point. He also had trouble with his illness medicalion throughout the season. That team lost in the tourny to another team with NBA talent. Do the names Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott, and Brian Oliver ring a bell? Pretty good team there.
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Tell me some of your favorite basketball coaches of all time and then tell me if you think those coaches could have won a championship with that team
Well lets just say Dean Smith did not win a single title until he got Jordan, Worthy, and Perkins. Bobby Cremins never won a title with his NBA talent. Digger Phelps never won one while at Notre Dame. Eddie Sutton never won one at Arkansas, Okla St, or Kentucky. The great Larry Brown could not win one a UCLA. Needless to say these guys all had tons of talent.
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Dale Brown was a good man and a good fit for the program when he came here. That doesn't make him a good coach, but he is a beloved coach here.
Being the second winningest coach in the history of the SEC with more wins over Kentucky than anyone disagrees with that statement. Sorry but you ain't winning this one.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:18 am to LSU92
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:20 am to cenla tigah
Don't mess with Daddy Dale and the Hat 
Posted on 1/18/12 at 1:25 am to mmcgrath
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Anyone else see the similarity?
Yep. I sure do.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 4:53 am to Champagne
The biggest comparison I see is both can recruit like crazy but the coaching the X's and o's were better left up to the assistant coaches. Dale's best years are when he had Tex Winters as his assistant.
Les has great defensive coaches and let's them do their job. It has been reported on Dandy Don for the last two springs that the offensive coaches wanted Lee to start. Les should learn to listen to them.
Les has great defensive coaches and let's them do their job. It has been reported on Dandy Don for the last two springs that the offensive coaches wanted Lee to start. Les should learn to listen to them.
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:15 am to mmcgrath
I was around BR when the Dale era was in full swing. The PMAC was rocking and there was passion flowing. LSU basketball will probably never experience b-ball excitement like that ever again. Give the man his due. He did something nobody else ever could or ever did accomplish.
Les and Dale are both winners. Either of them could drive you insane at times, but they are both winners and good men...
Les and Dale are both winners. Either of them could drive you insane at times, but they are both winners and good men...
Posted on 1/18/12 at 6:31 am to Rudy40
Are you kidding me? Dale was a great motivator, but he was not ever considered a great X and O coach. Dale was accused of playing favorites and leaving in his player (ie: Bernard Woodside - aka Bernard "Brick"side) on the court and costing us games. Do you remember the tournament game against Indiana and Bobby Knight's quote with his team down and time running out? Knight basically said that his team was doomed, until he looked over and saw Dale, Bobby then knew Indiana would win and they did. Or how about when the TV mic would listen in on Dale during a critical time out- it was painful to hear how disorganized and confused Dale was. At that time, many attributed our success to Ron Abernathy and his recruiting. I love Dale- but he was criticized for many of the same things as Miles. As is many times the case, fans don't know what they have until the coach is gone.
This post was edited on 1/18/12 at 6:33 am
Posted on 1/18/12 at 7:27 am to LSU92
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