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re: Les Miles ranked #4
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:38 pm to JohnStOnge
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:38 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:
Who would you rate higher?
carroll
meyer
miles
rodriguez
saban
tubby
erickson
richt
kelly from Cinci
peterson from BSU
leavitt from USF
petrino from Arky
riley from OSU
shite i just realized that list didn't even have peterson on it, but pat hill is. ILLEGITIMATE
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:42 pm to triplesauce
quote:
Russell (1st rounder) + Bowe (1st rounder) + Davis (1st rounder) = 3 pts vs Auburn
thanks les
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:43 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:
too high or too low
way too high. He shouldn't be on the list.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:43 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:Actually, he has not been there more than anyone else. Stoops has been there the same number of times (3), and won just as many (1).
Tressel has just as many BCS championships as anybody else (1) and has been there more often than anybody else (3 times).
quote:In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.
I mean, think about it: He's been head coach for 7 years and he's been to the BCS title game 3 times.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
carroll
meyer
miles
rodriguez
saban
tubby
erickson
richt
kelly from Cinci
leavitt
petrino
riley from OSU
You neglected to intend to the "basis" part. 8 of the 11 you listed never coached a team in a BCS championship game. I suppose Ericson would have if the BCS had been around at the time.
But, seriously, don't you think some of the others you list ought to at least make it to the game before you list them as "better?"
Tressel won a BCS championship in his second year as head coach at Ohio State. He won it over a team people were talking about as being the greatest ever in college football. Yes, there was a questionable call in overtime. But if the officials hadn't made a bad call as well as a bad "no call" on Ohio State's last offensive series of regulation, the game would have never GOTTEN to overtime and the Buckeyes would've won in regulation.
I can't believe you won't give the guy credit.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:54 pm to King Joey
quote:
Actually, he has not been there more than anyone else. Stoops has been there the same number of times (3), and won just as many (1).
quote:
In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.
IF you are making the case that Stoops should be ranked higher than Tressell, I disagree.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:57 pm to moneyg
quote:Not at all. Just pointing out that Tressell's "unparalleled" accomplishments are not quite so unparalleled. And as much as people see Stoops' amazing reputation as tarnished now, he was just as hype-worthy not so long ago as Tressel is now.
IF you are making the case that Stoops should be ranked higher than Tressell, I disagree
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:58 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:
never coached a team in a BCS championship game.
tressell inherited a program that has the most athletic recruiting ground (ohio) in its conferenceand has the 2nd best national pull in recruiting (behind UM). he has a lot more talent than his competition, and his competition SUCKS
similar situation with stoops. #2 most talented team, but he owns the only other really talented team (UT..same with OSU and UM). the rest of the big12 is shite. this is why OSU and OU go to bowls they shouldn't and get embarrassed
quote:
don't you think some of the others you list ought to at least make it to the game before you list them as "better?"
tubby had an undefeated season in the SEC and was held out because an overrated OU team made it
richt plays in the SEC also and faces competition that tres/stoops just simply don't. UGA has been better than either the past 5 years, but UGA doesn't play a shite schedule and is rarely #1 in the SEC
quote:
I can't believe you won't give the guy credit.
he has no "before OSU" team to judge. he coached a 1-AA team. he's also one of the dirtiest guys in CFB
if tressell had a 1A history to look at, then he'd be higher, but he doesn't, and his team is in ND territory in terms of going to bowls it shouldn't (same with OU and stoops...and both are better than ND, but they get favorable rankings)
the year tres didn't have the most talented team in the (shitty) big10, his team sucked (2004). tres had the best team in the big10 by far in 2005 and didn't even win the conference. OSU should have been the #2 team behind UT that year, but they choked. and if tres has to think outside the box, he sucks (Same with stoops. both are only so-so gameday coaches)
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:59 pm to King Joey
quote:
Not at all. Just pointing out that Tressell's "unparalleled" accomplishments are not quite so unparalleled. And as much as people see Stoops' amazing reputation as tarnished now, he was just as hype-worthy not so long ago as Tressel is now.
Tressel deserves credit. However, he's been a significant factor in losing the last 2 BCS Championship games. I think he was outcoached in both of them.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 7:59 pm to King Joey
quote:
In 2005, the same thing could have been said about Bob Stoops, except he had been to the BCS title game 3 times in just six years as OU's head coach.
I'd gone back and edited before I read your post but the 3 times in 6 years thing is a valid point. However, at THIS point, Tressel has been there 3 times in 7 years while Stoops has been there 3 times in 9 years.
Look, they've both been there three times. That's quite an accomplishment.
I will say, though, that Tressel hasn't had the big losses outside of the BCS championship game. He did lose to South Carolina by 31-28 at the end of his first year as head coach. But, otherwise, he hasn't lost a bowl game outside of BCS title games. He hasn't lost to a Boise State.
And, again, that Miami team Ohio State beat after the 2002 season was VERY highly regarded. In fact I'd say that it was the most highly regarded team...at the time that the BCS title game was played...to be beaten in a BCS title game.
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:02 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:
Les Miles ranked #4
And many a rantard will be calling for his head the first time LSU loses this year, just as they were last year, right before he won a NC.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Have you commented on Pete Carroll in this thread? Personally I think Norm Chow had a ton to do with his Success. USC has talent that only a few teams are even comparable too. I happen to think he is vastly over rated. He is a top 5 coach, I just hear a lot of "Best ever" comments directed his way.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:06 pm to moneyg
quote:
However, he's been a significant factor in losing the last 2 BCS Championship games. I think he was outcoached in both of them.
My theory is that they have a problem with the long layoff. The Florida game was horrible. No doubt he was outcoached there. That was total domination.
The LSU game was, I think, a little different. I think his players were young and lost their heads some. Remember, that was a young team that was not supposed to win its conference much less be in the BCS championship game.
We'll see how he does this year. This is the "next year" team. Awfully tough hurdle at USC though.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:08 pm to Geert Hammink_43
quote:
thanks les
Geert...you're making a case for being the worst poster on the Rant. To even be considered is pretty sad.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:09 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:Neither had Stoops at that time, which is precisely my point. Tressel's resume today looks much like Stoops' did in 2005. As quickly and easily as Stoops' reputation dropped, so could Tressel's. If DickRod springs an upset this year or next, or if OSU loses to the Trojans in L.A. (quite likely), Tressel will find himself outside the Championship Game and possibly not even in the BCS. How many Cap1 Bowls can he lose and keep his #2 status?
I will say, though, that Tressel hasn't had the big losses outside of the BCS championship game.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:12 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:Are you serious? The 2002 Hurricanes were no doubt a highly, highly hyped team. But they cannot hold a candle to the hype of the '05 Trojans. Two Heisman Trophy winners and a multi-week ESPN special to proclaim them the greatest college football team ever (not suggest, as they did with the '02 'Canes, but PROCLAIM); no team has ever been as hyped for any game as that SC team was for that Championship Game.
In fact I'd say that it was the most highly regarded team...at the time that the BCS title game was played...to be beaten in a BCS title game.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 8:26 pm to JohnStOnge
quote:
My theory is that they have a problem with the long layoff.
or how about the simple explanation: they aren't as good as their record and accolades say they are
playing in a shite conference that you have a HUGE talent edge in will do that
same thing with stoops and his recent BCS failures
This post was edited on 8/24/08 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 8/24/08 at 9:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Les and Jimbo couldn't agree with play calling
After last year I know why!
Jimbo Fisher didn't have the balls to go for it.. Maybe thats why we lost to Auburn and lost the chance to go to the BCS championship game because of it.
After last year I know why!
Jimbo Fisher didn't have the balls to go for it.. Maybe thats why we lost to Auburn and lost the chance to go to the BCS championship game because of it.
Posted on 8/24/08 at 9:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
he has no "before OSU" team to judge. he coached a 1-AA team. he's also one of the dirtiest guys in CFB
In no way trying to argue here, just curious. Why do you consider JT as "One of the dirtiest guys in CFB?"
Posted on 8/25/08 at 1:12 am to BUCKSn08
I hate to hijack the thread, but Rivals put three Tigers on the top 20 O-Line list...
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