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re: Les Miles, how great is he... The Best LSU has ever had
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:50 pm to ballscaster
Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:50 pm to ballscaster
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Obviously the argument is between Saban 2000-2004 and Miles 2005-Present
Often loss in this debate is the strength of the SEC between 2000-2004 and between 2005-2013.
The SEC played in 1 BCSCG between 2000 and 2004. The SEC played in 8 BCSCG between 2005 and 2013 with 4 different SEC programs claiming titles.
Seems to me that Miles has coached LSU at a time when the SEC was a much more powerful/dominating conference than when Nick coached LSU.
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Posted on 7/16/14 at 1:56 pm to Lonnie4LSU
Yet another good, well-thought-out point, a specialty of true LSU fans.
The anti-Miles crowd reminds me of somebody I see on every block in NYC: the Yankees fan who takes it upon himself to stand out as a Yankees fan by relentlessly bashing Derek Jeter. He's the best Yankee in 40 years and he's always first in line to tweet "Jeter gidp risp #Clutch."
This guy acts, speaks, and tweets this way because he sucks. And that's the exact same reason the anti-Miles bozos, especially the ones who have never had any affiliation whatsoever with the University, act/speak/tweet the way that they do.
The anti-Miles crowd reminds me of somebody I see on every block in NYC: the Yankees fan who takes it upon himself to stand out as a Yankees fan by relentlessly bashing Derek Jeter. He's the best Yankee in 40 years and he's always first in line to tweet "Jeter gidp risp #Clutch."
This guy acts, speaks, and tweets this way because he sucks. And that's the exact same reason the anti-Miles bozos, especially the ones who have never had any affiliation whatsoever with the University, act/speak/tweet the way that they do.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:27 pm to ballscaster
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You anti-Miles dunces don't get it
Oh boy. Name calling.
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you lost. You lost years ago
Lost what?
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I decided to leave you goobers behind because the math makes it obvious
All you are going by are #'s. Whether you like it or not its more than just that. But you must be young and think name calling will help you with your point.
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You can't win this argument. Ever
Sure I can. 2008-2009 Miles was a horrible coach and had horrible years. No excuses. Those are facts. Saban had NO year AT LSU close to how bad those years were.
Saban 2000 led team to an 8-4 record coming off a 3-8 season.
2001 Went 10-3 and was the hottedt team in the country at the end of the year.
2002 LSU was rolling at 6-1 when Mauck gets hurt[Sabans fault]. Finishes off with a mediorcre qb at best.
2003 Leads team to NC,13-1 record and will go down as the greatest team in LSU history.
2004 goes 9-3 with the pros beating down his door. Yes a distraction.
Miles
2005 has a ton of talent to work with that Saban leaves him. Goes 11-2. Not a bad start. I don't want to hear about not having a bye either. That's excuses.
2006 still loaded with Sabans talent. gets to Sugar bowl but could have been much better [with said talent] had he not laid an eg against AU with a shitty gameplan.
2007. Has a veteran QB and still leftover talent from the Saban era. Lucks into NC game after his team chokes games against teams they should have beaten easily in UK and Ark.
2008 A horrible year with Miles not having the spine to fire anyone and have co- DC's. Getting creamed at home by UGA that way was awful. Oh Yeah this is also the 1st team with Miles majority players on it.
2009. A lot of luck this year.Still a lot of games where the team is not focused and ready to play. The real bad loss at home vs an avg Ole Miss team.
2010 This si the year Les finally starts to turn it around. A great finish to the season with a romp in the Cotton Bow.
2011 A great season against a brutal schedule. 13-1 with a loss in the game that mattered most sets him behind Saban as far as I am concerened.
2012. 10-3 with a mature QB. Offense looks lost at times and the team beats FLA if Miles was not so hard headed and played Hill a game earliar.
2013. 10-3 again. Losing to UGA was not a bad loss, losing to Ole Miss was inexcusable.
Theres a lot of #'s for ya.
You have your opinion.Fine. So do I.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:36 pm to MusicMaster
quote:And when you add all those numbers up, Miles has a better record and no fewer titles.
Theres a lot of #'s for ya. You have your opinion.Fine. So do I.
Again, you say it's more than math, and then you only cite math. You've gotten your arse whipped in this argument, waved a white flag, and then come back for more, and then gotten your arse whipped again.
Les Miles is the greatest coach in LSU history. You have nothing beyond rhetoric to support any theory that that isn't true. You are wrong. I am right. Knock it the frick off.
quote:Dubbing you a dunce isn't namecalling.
Oh boy. Name calling.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:40 pm to ballscaster
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and then you only cite math.
You must not know how to read.
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You've gotten your arse whipped in this argument,
Where did this happen? We disagree. That's not even close to losing an argument.
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and then gotten your arse whipped again.
Not at all.
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You have nothing beyond rhetoric to support any theory that that isn't true. You are wrong
No I am not wrong. Its an opinion.
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I am right. Knock it the frick off.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:45 pm to MusicMaster
Math is not an opinion.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 2:56 pm to ballscaster
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Math is not an opinion.
Well I guess Miles would have better #'s since he has been here 4 more years than Saban was. That's a given. That doesn't prove he is the better coach while at LSU.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:01 pm to ballscaster
"It's over. Our coach we have now is the best we've ever had, and there's not a thing you'll ever be able to do about it. "
Miles is without a doubt the best coach in LSU history.
Once again, this is an indisputable fact.
The reason this is such a hot topic lies in the present moment.
Miles can't win a championship without going through Saban.
The old saying of you have to beat the best to be the best.
So being the best in LSU history holds little wait when you have yet to slay the "Elephant in the Room."
More than anything, Saban and the Tide are the main reason that we LSU fans don't have all of the titles we feel we should have.
I love Les, but until he consistently defeats the Tide, we will have to give Saban and crew their credit.
Trust me, I find no greater joy than watching the indestructible Tide get blown out by Utah and Oklahoma..
Sadly, it's hard to ignore the literal elephant in the room (the SEC west), when the elephant is stretched out in our living room, holding three Championship Titles.
Is Les the best in LSU history? Absolute Fact.
Will Les being the best in LSU history carry any weight when we line up against Bama on November 8th? Absolutely Not.
Miles is without a doubt the best coach in LSU history.
Once again, this is an indisputable fact.
The reason this is such a hot topic lies in the present moment.
Miles can't win a championship without going through Saban.
The old saying of you have to beat the best to be the best.
So being the best in LSU history holds little wait when you have yet to slay the "Elephant in the Room."
More than anything, Saban and the Tide are the main reason that we LSU fans don't have all of the titles we feel we should have.
I love Les, but until he consistently defeats the Tide, we will have to give Saban and crew their credit.
Trust me, I find no greater joy than watching the indestructible Tide get blown out by Utah and Oklahoma..
Sadly, it's hard to ignore the literal elephant in the room (the SEC west), when the elephant is stretched out in our living room, holding three Championship Titles.
Is Les the best in LSU history? Absolute Fact.
Will Les being the best in LSU history carry any weight when we line up against Bama on November 8th? Absolutely Not.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:01 pm to MusicMaster
Of course not. But Les Miles has won more frequently in his nine years than Saban won in his five. So you'll have to figure something else out.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:02 pm to MusicMaster
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Saban 2000 led team to an 8-4 record coming off a 3-8 season.
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2002 LSU was rolling at 6-1 when Mauck gets hurt[Sabans fault]. Finishes off with a mediorcre qb at best.
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2003 Leads team to NC,13-1 record and will go down as the greatest team in LSU history.
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2004 goes 9-3 with the pros beating down his door. Yes a distraction.
conveniently leaves out the loss to UAB, the miracle at UK, the arse kickings by UF & UGA, and losing atleast 3 games every year but 1...and loaded with excuses
and now lets do Miles....
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2005 has a ton of talent to work with that Saban leaves him. Goes 11-2. Not a bad start. I don't want to hear about not having a bye either. That's excuses.
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2006 still loaded with Sabans talent. gets to Sugar bowl but could have been much better [with said talent] had he not laid an eg against AU with a shitty gameplan.
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2007. Has a veteran QB and still leftover talent from the Saban era. Lucks into NC game after his team chokes games against teams they should have beaten easily in UK and Ark.
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Sure I can. 2008-2009 Miles was a horrible coach and had horrible years. No excuses.
yeah...there's no bias at all Sabanista
no excuses, right?This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:05 pm to MusicMaster
Out of the ashes? Saban didn't come after Hallman.... Gerry left Saban with plenty of talent and not a lot of depth. Saban took over when LSU was 2 years removed from last winning season. LSU wasn't as bad off as some are trying to make it sound.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:14 pm to Choctaw
I caught, that he made excuses for Saban and then with Miles he states "no excuses"....
If anyone has watched more than 1 game of football they know teams get outplayed, even Saban has had his teams just get out played.
If anyone has watched more than 1 game of football they know teams get outplayed, even Saban has had his teams just get out played.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:15 pm to Choctaw
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yeah...there's no bias at all Sabanista
Well don't get me started there. Saban is the enemy now and really can't stand the arrogant prick. Miles is a great coach and he is MY coach. That doesn't mean he is the best ever here. It looks like I am in the Minority here but ya gotta give Saban credit for what he did here. All around. Not just the wins and losses.
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the miracle at UK
What about Miles Miracle against Troy?
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and the arse kickings by UGA
Ok Miles didn't get his arse handed to him in 2008 by both UGA and FLA. Gotcha. See I can play this game too.
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ton of talent to work with that Saban leaves him
So you are saying that Saban left him no talent?
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still loaded with Sabans talent
Facts are Facts.
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Lucks into NC game
You can thank Pitt for this.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:19 pm to MusicMaster
the point is...you made every excuse for Saban and conveniently left out all his frick ups.
but Miles? NO EXCUSES DAMMIT!!!!
you are a Sabanista through and through
FYI...Sabans teams were loaded with Dinardo talent. who the frick cares
FYI2...2005 was one of Miles' greatest coaching jobs of his career considering the circumstances. but i don't expect you to recognize that.
FYI3...LSU needed about 8 teams to lose in the final 3 weeks to make it to the NC. point is...everyone needs a little luck
but Miles? NO EXCUSES DAMMIT!!!!
you are a Sabanista through and through
FYI...Sabans teams were loaded with Dinardo talent. who the frick cares
FYI2...2005 was one of Miles' greatest coaching jobs of his career considering the circumstances. but i don't expect you to recognize that.
FYI3...LSU needed about 8 teams to lose in the final 3 weeks to make it to the NC. point is...everyone needs a little luck
This post was edited on 7/16/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:22 pm to Choctaw
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you are a Sabanista through and through
What does this even mean. I think Saban did a great job here. You must not think he did. That's you. I also think Miles has done a great job here.
Just trying to have a debate. No hard feelings dude.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:24 pm to Choctaw
quote:Thats a strong word "loaded" Dinardo left Saban talent but it lacked a lot of depth. Les did inherit more talent and he made the most of it. LSU had some unfortunate issues with Hurricanes in 06, the no call vs Auburn in 06, then 07 you can say LSU got "lucky" but if that is the case you could argue Nick got "lucky" in 2003 since we didn't get to play the #1 team in USC and instead got Oklahoma.
.Sabans teams were loaded with Dinardo talent.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 3:24 pm to MusicMaster
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I think Saban did a great job here. You must not think he did.
sure i do....i just don't like revisionist history
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I also think Miles has done a great job here.
the best in school history so far
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:15 pm to ballscaster
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Is your boy the greatest American President, just as Miles is the greatest LSU football coach?
Nice post, goober.
Hey dumbass.
I do not like Miles but love my ALMA MATER.
I do not like Obama but love this country.
Go shave your legs, sing a show tune, and have a cup of green tea you socialist yankee prick.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:17 pm to Old And Grumpy Tiger
You seem immature...
Posted on 7/16/14 at 4:36 pm to Choctaw
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....i just don't like revisionist history
What?
The thread is about the best coach in lsu history. IMO its Saban and you think its Miles.
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the best in school history so far
Its s shame that Saban couldn't have stayed another 5 years.But I would not want him back though. Let me get this out there to you. There is no other coach in the country that I want at LSU than Les Miles. I hope he stays another 10 years and retires with 3 more titles.
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