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re: Les Miles’ blast ‘fuel’ for Gunner Kiel nbc
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:35 am to la_birdman
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:35 am to la_birdman
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He cost us a QB
Who?
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Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:41 am to tduecen
Hmmmm....you a Yankees fan? So if Any Petite is approached by Brian Cashman to re-sign with the Yankees for $12 million in December and Petite, who really isn't sure if he wants to play agrees to the deal.....then the Yankees decide there is no money left to sign Hiroki Kuroda who ends up signing with the Red Sox....and Petite doesn't show up for spring training because his heart isn't in it....you have no problem with Petite? It's all Cashman's fault?
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:44 am to blackjackjackson
I agree with Les Miles on this one
fuel all he wants but IMO Gunner has no balls
fuel all he wants but IMO Gunner has no balls
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:51 am to LSU82BILL
No problem with Andy or Cash that is business only, completely different situation as well. Business is not college football nor an amateur sport.
As to other poster who referenced my opinion on coaches handling. Gunner and Miller were not only EE, the coaches could have approached other to ask if they had Miller rated so high. Other avenues could have been taken if they wanted Miller on campus and at LSU. Did try want him no doubt, but maybe they ranked him lower than fan base is? Purely hypothetical ony part an the fans who are claiming they know. Unless you are a coach on team and can give us an idea exactly what they were thinking.
As to other poster who referenced my opinion on coaches handling. Gunner and Miller were not only EE, the coaches could have approached other to ask if they had Miller rated so high. Other avenues could have been taken if they wanted Miller on campus and at LSU. Did try want him no doubt, but maybe they ranked him lower than fan base is? Purely hypothetical ony part an the fans who are claiming they know. Unless you are a coach on team and can give us an idea exactly what they were thinking.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:57 am to tduecen
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Purely hypothetical ony part an the fans who are claiming they know.
Gotcha.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:20 am to tduecen
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No problem with Andy or Cash that is business only, completely different situation as well. Business is not college football nor an amateur sport.
You don't really believe that college football is not a business do you? BCS conferences have BILLION dollar TV contracts. Tell me why a state funded academic institution would pay Les Miles $3.75 million per year while a billionaire owner like Steinbrenner would pay Joe Girardi less?
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:39 am to LSU82BILL
College football is a business, what happened between coaching staff, gunner, and miller is not business. No one signed a contract, only a verbal agreement. Coaching staff then apparently went to another individual they had a verbal agreement with and changed their agreement which is when that player decided to go in different direction. The Gunner changed his verbal agreement an signed a contract with ND.
18 year old kids making commitments that impact next 3-5 years of their lives, it is a big decision with lots of indecision since schools/coaches all promising them different things.
18 year old kids making commitments that impact next 3-5 years of their lives, it is a big decision with lots of indecision since schools/coaches all promising them different things.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:39 am to blackjackjackson
frick John Taylor. Just keep sticking up for irrelevant teams and players so you will cover the type of people you are...
Posted on 3/27/12 at 10:45 am to LSU82BILL
College football is a business, what happened between coaching staff, gunner, and miller is not business. No one signed a contract, only a verbal agreement. Coaching staff then apparently went to another individual they had a verbal agreement with and changed their agreement which is when that player decided to go in different direction. The Gunner changed his verbal agreement an signed a contract with ND.
18 year old kids making commitments that impact next 3-5 years of their lives, it is a big decision with lots of indecision since schools/coaches all promising them different things.
18 year old kids making commitments that impact next 3-5 years of their lives, it is a big decision with lots of indecision since schools/coaches all promising them different things.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 11:05 am to tduecen
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College football is a business, what happened between coaching staff, gunner, and miller is not business.
This situation is all about ethics and integrity but the decision to offer Kiel an EE spot over Miller WAS a business decision. I'm pretty sure that Les Miles was honest with Miller over the issue. Kiel clearly was not honest with Miles or Kragthorpe. It's all good. We got 2 good players that WANT to be at LSU.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 11:12 am to LSU82BILL
How do you know he wasn't honest? Because he changed his mind? So he was not allowed to change his mind? He sai he was coming to LSU then after thought, talking to places, wtc he decided it benefitted him better to go elsewhere. He may have told Les and Krag when he changed his mind which is honesty.
We are both throwing out hypotheticals here, since neither party knows what really transpired. Kids do this all time coaches need to be prepared. I like Les and believe him calling out Gunner was just a lapse in judgement.
We are both throwing out hypotheticals here, since neither party knows what really transpired. Kids do this all time coaches need to be prepared. I like Les and believe him calling out Gunner was just a lapse in judgement.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 11:32 am to tduecen
Agreed...but hypotheses are based on formal logic. One one hand we are talking about a coach who as far as I know, and unlike Nick Saban, has never pulled a kid's scholarship offer. Miles is known to NOT offer kids he wants if they are on thin ice academically as opposed to making an offer to get their commitment and reneging when the kid doesn't qualify. On the other hand we have a kid who committed to 3 different schools in 7 months.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 11:57 am to LSU82BILL
quote:nut he is known to offer kids scholarships and then want them to grayshirt....
One one hand we are talking about a coach who as far as I know, and unlike Nick Saban, has never pulled a kid's scholarship offer
quote:considering he switched from Indiana (near his hometown)to LSU (was a national story this year) to ND (near his hometown) I don't fault him one bit. As I said earlier he is 18 and changed his mind, how many times do we see kids post on FB/Twitter etc they are going to one school then switch it later based on recruiting trip. To assume you know what was going on in his mind and behind the scenes is a fallacy in itself.
On the other hand we have a kid who committed to 3 different schools in 7 months.
I think the LSU coaches could have handled it differently, as they had more than just Gunner/Miller as EE. They could have approached another player about waiting, they could have figured out a different direction, they could have done other things. I don’t think Gunner and his decision making cost LSU anything but he is easy to blame especially when Les went out of character and made comments about him.
But I will let this die now, as it really doesn’t even need to be on Tiger Rant since the player in question is not with LSU. Plus we won’t agree, I don’t get angry about this stuff like some of you nor do I blame 18 year old kids trying to make a decision that impacts them for next few years.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 12:00 pm to blackjackjackson
Les is a grown 50something year old man and Kiel is a 17-18 year old kid.
I especially love all the posters who argue no one should say anything negative about Les on an internet message board because the existence of negative comments will hurt LSU recruiting...then a breath later high five each other when Les publicly belittles and mocks one of the top high school recruits in the country in front of the media.
Pot
Meet
Kettle.
I especially love all the posters who argue no one should say anything negative about Les on an internet message board because the existence of negative comments will hurt LSU recruiting...then a breath later high five each other when Les publicly belittles and mocks one of the top high school recruits in the country in front of the media.
Pot
Meet
Kettle.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 12:30 pm to tduecen
quote:
nut he is known to offer kids scholarships and then want them to grayshirt....
Yep. All coaches do that. And it's always to kids who had an offer but don't commit till the last second or who otherwise would not have an offer from that school due to the lack of available scholarships that recruiting year.
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considering he switched from Indiana (near his hometown)to LSU (was a national story this year) to ND (near his hometown) I don't fault him one bit. As I said earlier he is 18 and changed his mind
I know you don't. No 18 year old can be expected to make an adult decision, right. You know what. If you can't decide, then don't commit. There are plenty of other players every year that wait until NSD to make their decision. What makes Gunner Kiel any different? Maybe Miles was a little out of line but I'm sure he said what he did within the context of rallying a fan base that had a rough couple of weeks. If Kiel doesn't like it....frick him! Out of line or not, Les spoke the truth.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 12:59 pm to LSU82BILL
quote:What? No, it's not. Les and Nick have both done it to longtime commitments.
Yep. All coaches do that. And it's always to kids who had an offer but don't commit till the last second or who otherwise would not have an offer from that school due to the lack of available scholarships that recruiting year.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 1:12 pm to LSU82BILL
I am back in this thread just to say 
I am enjoying how you assume to know so much, all I have done is offer alternative and say the blame doesn't fall on Gunner and you are like a rabid pit bull ready to attack.
I am enjoying how you assume to know so much, all I have done is offer alternative and say the blame doesn't fall on Gunner and you are like a rabid pit bull ready to attack.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 1:15 pm to blackjackjackson
If you don't like Miles, follow another team.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 1:19 pm to Gravitiger
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What? No, it's not. Les and Nick have both done it to longtime commitments.
Les did it one time (to Elliot Porter) in a year when all 27 recruits were eligible something that almost never happens. Almost all gray shirts are offered players who did not commit until late and the staff had locked up another commitment.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 1:29 pm to That LSU Guy
Miles lost it that day. I'm sure he regrets it. A person in his position has got to control himself.
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