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re: Les Miles and FACTS
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:40 am to BeeFense5
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:40 am to BeeFense5
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Do you ever quit melting or are you always in a state of anger and rage?
Earlier CHoctaw said I was giddy, and now you say Im angry.
I dont think you people know what to do with the facts that were posted just above my last post.
Can you tell me why Miles is such a failure?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:42 am to CptBengal
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Can you tell me why Miles is such a failure?
You and every rational person have differing opinions on what a failure is.
You are definitely not on the right side of that opinion.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 10:43 am to JaxTiger10
How many times are we going to see a Miles stat thread after a loss?
I think we all get his achievements. The painful thing is they're becoming further in the past.
I think he's done some great things here, I'm just over his inability to produce an offense. Or watching a QB throw for 76 and 86yds.
It's shape up or ship out for me. I'm a long time miles supporter but everything good comes to an end. He lost me last Saturday.
Eta I'm just mad right now I think
I think we all get his achievements. The painful thing is they're becoming further in the past.
I think he's done some great things here, I'm just over his inability to produce an offense. Or watching a QB throw for 76 and 86yds.
It's shape up or ship out for me. I'm a long time miles supporter but everything good comes to an end. He lost me last Saturday.
Eta I'm just mad right now I think
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:20 am to LSUcajun77
Stats of the past are fine and dandy but I thin more people are worried about the state of the program now over history.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:21 am to JaxTiger10
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2 years ago we were the reigning sec champ amd last year we finished in the top 15 while accomplishing something offensively that had never been done in the sec. Do you dumbasses really believe finishing #14 in country is a failed season?
You are the dumbass. Les is a simple coach who cant evolve into anything else. He is simply not capable. If all the stars align and every bounce goes his way, then he has a shot at winning the big games. If things start to go wrong, or he has to become imaginative or thoughtful in his coaching in order to prevail, he is doomed. I think he should be ashamed of himself really. Deep down he has to know that he is underachieving.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:21 am to JaxTiger10
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1.No power5 program has more wins than lsu.
True until Alabama wins another game when we don't.
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3.no program in cfb has beaten more ranked teams.
Might want to check into that one. I've seen lists that suggest otherwise, but not sure what timelines are being used in those. I'd be surprised if this is true.
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No sec team has more sec titles
True for another three weeks or so, when Alabama will break a 4-way tie among themselves, LSU, Florida and Auburn.
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5. No sec west team has more west titles
True for another two weeks or so, when Alabama will break the tie between us.
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destroyed Notre Dame, Ohio State, Miami ( when they were a good top 10 team), Va Tech, West Va ( twice), Oregon, TCU, and Washington.
I would not say we destroyed TCU in 2012 or West Virginia in 2010.
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2nd highest grad rate in the sec
Another one you might want to check on. A recent listing posted on here or SECR has us in the middle of the pack around 6-8th, although I have no idea what the time frame was on those lists or what time frame you are using. Regardless, I have a hard time believing that the program with the highest number of players leaving early could possibly have the 2nd highest graduation rate. The only way it could is if players leaving early without graduating don't count, in which case what does graduation rate even mean?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:24 am to BCS Statmaster
The facts are that Les Miles has done a lot for this school and been extremely successful in the process. His coaching style is boring, unimaginative, and transparent, but is has worked in the toughest conference in the land. He has fielded, he deserves credit for any unit underneath him that succeeds just as he deserves blame for the ones that fail, a Defense that has been among the best in the country year in and year out.
His average total offense ranking is 53rd over his 10 year career, which includes a 14 and 9 ranking in years 2 and 3 respectively. If you look at his last 5 years it is 63, a downward trend. (5 years is more indicative being that the most recent data is more telling of the current state of the program)
This season, he has handled two QB's said to be competing for the starting position in the following manner: Anthony Jennings has thrown for a 46% completion rate. He has averaged 18 attempts for ~127 yards passing starting 10 games out of 11. He has thrown for 9 TD's against 6 Int's. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
In his last 4 games, he performed at a rate of 46% completion rate, he has averaged 20 attempts in that span, averaged passing for 106 yards per game, has 3 TD's to 3 Int's along with a fumble. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
Brandon Harris has attempted 5 or more passes in 4 games. In those games, he has passed for a 62% completion rate, he has averaged 11 attempts passing for 110 yards per game starting 1 game of the 11 played, he has 6 TD's to 1 Int. In those games he has rushed for 20 times for an average 7.2 YPC and 3 TD's.
Both QB's have had a terrible game, Jennings against NMST at home, Harris against Auburn away. Jennings, who statistically performed worse in his bad game, was brought in the following week. Harris hasn't played a significant series since 10/4, 55 days before our final regular season game.
LSU was shut out against an SEC team that has lost 17 straight games in SEC play. Our Defense held Arkansas to their lowest offensive output of their season at 264 yards while the LSU offense put up 123 total yards, our lowest of the season. Jennings passed for 33 yards in the first half, 5 yards in 3 drives in the 3rd qtr, and completed 6 passes for 49 yards after LSU trailed 17-0. LSU crossed midfield three times and no change was made at the QB position.
I'm almost positive I didn't list a single opinion in likely my longest post ever on TD. I have successfully wasted a sincere amount of time at work and come to the conclusion that while Miles certainly appears to be an older coach refusing to adapt his offensive philosophy, he does not deserve to be fired yet. Not one aspect of the QB distribution for the majority of this season can be explained and we appear to be no better after almost an entire year. I think the best thing for LSU is for Miles to accept that he needs to change or hit the road. With the level of teams/coaching in the West now, the same ole thing will no longer work well enough to pull off West Titles, SEC Championships, and certainly not NC's.
WTFL;DNR
DCPA
His average total offense ranking is 53rd over his 10 year career, which includes a 14 and 9 ranking in years 2 and 3 respectively. If you look at his last 5 years it is 63, a downward trend. (5 years is more indicative being that the most recent data is more telling of the current state of the program)
This season, he has handled two QB's said to be competing for the starting position in the following manner: Anthony Jennings has thrown for a 46% completion rate. He has averaged 18 attempts for ~127 yards passing starting 10 games out of 11. He has thrown for 9 TD's against 6 Int's. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
In his last 4 games, he performed at a rate of 46% completion rate, he has averaged 20 attempts in that span, averaged passing for 106 yards per game, has 3 TD's to 3 Int's along with a fumble. He has rushed 96 times for an average 1.92 yard per carry and 0 TD's.
Brandon Harris has attempted 5 or more passes in 4 games. In those games, he has passed for a 62% completion rate, he has averaged 11 attempts passing for 110 yards per game starting 1 game of the 11 played, he has 6 TD's to 1 Int. In those games he has rushed for 20 times for an average 7.2 YPC and 3 TD's.
Both QB's have had a terrible game, Jennings against NMST at home, Harris against Auburn away. Jennings, who statistically performed worse in his bad game, was brought in the following week. Harris hasn't played a significant series since 10/4, 55 days before our final regular season game.
LSU was shut out against an SEC team that has lost 17 straight games in SEC play. Our Defense held Arkansas to their lowest offensive output of their season at 264 yards while the LSU offense put up 123 total yards, our lowest of the season. Jennings passed for 33 yards in the first half, 5 yards in 3 drives in the 3rd qtr, and completed 6 passes for 49 yards after LSU trailed 17-0. LSU crossed midfield three times and no change was made at the QB position.
I'm almost positive I didn't list a single opinion in likely my longest post ever on TD. I have successfully wasted a sincere amount of time at work and come to the conclusion that while Miles certainly appears to be an older coach refusing to adapt his offensive philosophy, he does not deserve to be fired yet. Not one aspect of the QB distribution for the majority of this season can be explained and we appear to be no better after almost an entire year. I think the best thing for LSU is for Miles to accept that he needs to change or hit the road. With the level of teams/coaching in the West now, the same ole thing will no longer work well enough to pull off West Titles, SEC Championships, and certainly not NC's.
WTFL;DNR
DCPA
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 11:31 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:29 am to Nuts4LSU
I posted an article earlier this week that showed miles blech history with recruiting, holding on to, and developing qb's! Let me sum it up for u......the guy stinks!!! I'm not saying to fire him, but that fact can't be argued. Can u imagine what lsu could have done with decent qb's?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:33 am to YouAre8Up
I love these threads. Can the OP do one of Muschamp where you pick out all of his positive stats and post them, but leave out all of the negative stats, especially from the past two seasons? I'm sure Muschamp will look like an all-star also.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:34 am to SUB
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Can the OP do one of Muschamp where you pick out all of his positive stats and post them, but leave out all of the negative stats, especially from the past two seasons? I'm sure Muschamp will look like an all-star also.
You can't be taken serious if you are comparing Les' tenure at LSU to Muschamp's time at Florida.
Muschamp was awful.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:40 am to JaxTiger10
And he laid a similar egg last week like he did at MNC vs Bama Game II. He had that brook trout look of defeat and he called a fricked up game. We had 36 yards on 32 carries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even CEO's need to be accountable when freaky shite happens. We got shutout by Arkansas and had Bama beat but this Elmer Fudd scared to lose attitude I will settle for FG lost us the Bama game.
You listed all the good shite and I just put 2 goose egg games up. If I were the Chairman I would have to get the CEO to explain to me so I could tell my shareholders we will be fine. In this case we hear we will get better, we will work on these things, we will put in Harris if an opportunity presents itself.... Well a great opportunity was there. We need to know what is going on or we don't fill those seats
Even CEO's need to be accountable when freaky shite happens. We got shutout by Arkansas and had Bama beat but this Elmer Fudd scared to lose attitude I will settle for FG lost us the Bama game.
You listed all the good shite and I just put 2 goose egg games up. If I were the Chairman I would have to get the CEO to explain to me so I could tell my shareholders we will be fine. In this case we hear we will get better, we will work on these things, we will put in Harris if an opportunity presents itself.... Well a great opportunity was there. We need to know what is going on or we don't fill those seats
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:41 am to BeeFense5
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Muschamp was awful.
Losing 3 games with the talent we had last year is worse.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:41 am to inadaze
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And just for comparison, Mike Gundy's record at Oklahoma St. & Miles': Gundy - 82-43 (.656%) Miles - 28-21 (.571%)
I think this presents a difficult situation for those arguing in Miles' favor. Either coaches get credit for their wins and losses from the day they start and without regard for the state of the program they inherited, or they don't.
If they do, then Miles is better than Saban but not as good as Gundy. So, Gundy is better than Saban? Not likely.
If they don't, then Miles' winning percentage being higher than Saban's was when he was here doesn't mean what Miles' proponents say it means.
Either way, it presents a problem when arguing the case for him.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:41 am to Dubaitiger
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We got shutout by Arkansas and had Bama beat but this Elmer Fudd scared to lose attitude I will settle for FG lost us the Bama game.
yeah it was 4th and 20
you take the field goal in a 10-10 games with less than a minute left.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:42 am to CptBengal
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Losing 3 games
Damn Defense
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:50 am to TH03
quote:Exactly. There's 50 programs across the country with freshmen or green QB's who are all doing better than ours. Meanwhile, LSU has better facilities, higher paid coaches, and better assistants. There is simply NO EXCUSE for this staff's poor performance when it comes to the QB position, NONE.
Blake sims barely got the job this year, but he drove down the field in tiger stadium to tie the game then threw the TD to win it in OT. how many starts did he have before this year?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:51 am to SammyTiger
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you take the field goal in a 10-10 games with less than a minute left.
After the penalty, absolutely. Still think we should have gone for the dagger immediately and passed the ball. But due to the QB he has stuck with all season, this wasn't a viable option.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:51 am to JaxTiger10
Here are some facts for you:
If you are sober you may actually be able to make sense out of what in FACT has happened.
Graph compliments from ForeverLSU02 here Cumulative win %, margin of victory, ppg scored & ppg allowed in Miles' 10 years at LSU.
If you are sober you may actually be able to make sense out of what in FACT has happened.
Graph compliments from ForeverLSU02 here Cumulative win %, margin of victory, ppg scored & ppg allowed in Miles' 10 years at LSU.
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 11/19/14 at 11:59 am to Mr. Wayne
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After the penalty, absolutely. Still think we should have gone for the dagger immediately and passed the ball. But due to the QB he has stuck with all season, this wasn't a viable option.
I think we run it twice, throw a fade (the one pass Jennings can throw), and then kick a field goal, if they don't throw that BS penalty.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 12:07 pm to BeeFense5
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You can't be taken serious if you are comparing Les' tenure at LSU to Muschamp's time at Florida. Muschamp was awful.
You clearly missed my point. I wasn't comparing Muschamp to Miles.
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