re: Les is the best coach that LSU has ever had

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but Les has never built a team into a powerhouse....Saban has done it twice

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SO
MUCH
FAIL

Again... I don't see 15-17 as failing... I can name more coaches that I would considered "fail" than that. I can also name coaches that started off worse or equal to his 15-17 that went on to have success...

+1 Choctaw. Nick thrives in a setting were kids look up to him. He didn't know how to handle players that were his equal. Nick could've stuck around in Miami to see if he could get it together. Problem is he knew he was in over his head.

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and considering that he has averaged 2 losses each season will we accept such for the next seven seasons?

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Overall - Dietzel only coahc to go undefeated and finished 1, 3 and 4 his last 3 years with only 2 losses. He just didn't stay long enough.

Wins with Less - Nick Saban He won with less talent than ANY coach we have ever had.

Coaching ability? - Bill Arnsparger. Hands down the best X's and O's coach we have ever had at this school. He took 3 years and a decent talented team and won consistently and an SEC title. First since 1970. Keep in mind that Archer took his coached-up talent to an 10-1-1 record. In today's game, that team would have played for a MNC.

Recruiting - Les Miles - I believe he, Saban and Dinardo are the best 3 recruiters we have had at this school. He gets the nod over those 2.

Stress Factor - Les Miles. He could make wins a little easier on the fans.

Best Human Being - Cholly Mac. He was also an excellent coach!

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And for the record all the ones picking Miles over Saban as LSU's best coach could Miles have done what Saban did?

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We'll never know. We weren't about to hire the TE coach from the Dallas Cowboys with no head coaching experience to replace DiNardo and we didn't. Not sure who his DC would have been. That's important. Having a vaunted defense helped tremendously in getting LSU and Saban to the Sugar Bowl in January of 2004 and in beating OU. It helped him and Bama beat UT last year for the BCS national title game, making Saban the only coach in the country to win 2 BCS national title games at 2 different schools.

Here what we do know:

Miles with no QB: 11-2

Saban with no QB: 8-5
(Needing a Kentucky miracle to get one of those wins)

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Miles with no QB: 11-2

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That's fairly disrespectful to JJ.

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Saban with no QB: 8-5

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And then followed it up the next season winning 13 games, something Miles has yet to accomplish.

Miles is the more aggressive game coach; he plays to win a lot more than Saban does. On his first 4th down as LSU coach, on the road and backed up to the endzone, our punter throws a pass for a 1st down. The list of 4th down fakes and straight-out go for its has grown very large since then. Saban played it safe a lot more, instead of always pushing to take advantage.

Miles has also been the better big-game coach- his lone bowl loss was at a horrible field, totally negating his team's speed advantage, and the game was still close. Saban, both at LSU and Bama, has had some stinkers in bowls (Iowa, Utah come to mind). People seem to forget that Ferentz at Iowa poked some holes in Saban's mythical defensive genius, not just by the last sec TD, but by having his team run all over our defense in the Cap 1 bowl. And before you mention Iowa being a "run-oriented Big 10 team", go check their rushing average that year. I think it was something like 60 yds a game.

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Then he quickly plummeted back down to the his comfort zone of 8 or 9 wins at LSU.

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Only after winning 13 games. Hasn't been done since. He's also pulled 2 back to back undefeated regular seasons at Bama and won 14 games last year.