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Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:37 pm to TigerBait1127
quote:how do you shut good teams the frick down when you barely beat average Aub teams, don't stop UF and barely win then get blown the frick out the next year, get beat by average Kentucky, ran all over by average Arky, am I clear. and I'm talkin out my arse.
when we shut good teams the frick down.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:41 pm to tubucoco
didn't realize that having 1 down year on defense under Pelini negates the 2 outstanding years before it.
i have already shown you the stats and scores to back up that you are full of shite. I guess good teams barely getting 200 yards on us is moving the ball all over the place
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Pelini's defenses stats were inflated anyways because of the weaker Div 2 schools they dominated, but the D1, SEC schools moved the ball all over the place on them,
i have already shown you the stats and scores to back up that you are full of shite. I guess good teams barely getting 200 yards on us is moving the ball all over the place
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:49 pm to Rocket
quote:sorry, I missed that, but I'll just use 2007 championship year as an example, as loaded as that team was it should have been unbeaten.
Now tell me how many Div II schools we faced when Pelini was here.
they dominated La Tech, M Tenn, and hell Tulane is Div 2 to me, but the score 34-9 is misleading because of the struggle they had in that game, but you check all the other games and they were close all the way, not a sign of a good defense.
I just don't agree with y'all about Pelini's defense being better than Saban/Muschamp, no way.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:52 pm to TigerBait1127
This thread is completely retarded.
Saban took over a program that finished 3-8 and 4-7 the prior two seasons and had 3 winning seasons total in the last decade. He proceeded to win the NC 4 years later.
Miles took over a program that finished 9-3 and 13-1 the past two seasons and had 5 consecutive winning seasons. He proceeded to win the NC 3 years later.
I would say both did a good job. Half want to give Saban no respect because they got their feelings hurt and half give Miles no respect because he wasn't coach during the actual turnaround.
The real truth is both coaches deserve great respect for what they have done for LSU. It wasn't so long ago that LSU was referred to as a coaching graveyard. You people need perspective.
Saban took over a program that finished 3-8 and 4-7 the prior two seasons and had 3 winning seasons total in the last decade. He proceeded to win the NC 4 years later.
Miles took over a program that finished 9-3 and 13-1 the past two seasons and had 5 consecutive winning seasons. He proceeded to win the NC 3 years later.
I would say both did a good job. Half want to give Saban no respect because they got their feelings hurt and half give Miles no respect because he wasn't coach during the actual turnaround.
The real truth is both coaches deserve great respect for what they have done for LSU. It wasn't so long ago that LSU was referred to as a coaching graveyard. You people need perspective.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:52 pm to tubucoco
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but you check all the other games and they were close all the way, not a sign of a goo defense.
2007 defense was dominant until the string of injuries, and then they struggled. You are still ignoring the 2005 and 2006 seasons. If I ignore the 2003 and 2004 defenses, Saban wasn't very good at LSU either
In 2007, we also skullfricked MSU, VT, and USC defensively. That was the most dominant defense LSU had until our players started getting hurt. 2007 was a disappointment, but 2005 and 2006 were great
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:55 pm to TigerBait1127
your full of shite, string of injuries, whatever man, your a Pelini homer that is fine.
if his defnse was so great, LSU would have beaten Kentucky and Arky without any OT's.
if his defnse was so great, LSU would have beaten Kentucky and Arky without any OT's.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:55 pm to tubucoco
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sorry, I missed that
That's one more reason why you are a dumb guy. That's okay, though. You may be a good guy, just a little dumb.
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but I'll just use 2007 championship year as an example, as loaded as that team was it should have been unbeaten
The defense that year wasn't a great defense. But any assertion that the defense was "less than stellar" the entire time Pelini was here is absurd. And you supported that assertion. That's why you're a dumb guy.
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they dominated La Tech, M Tenn, and hell Tulane is Div 2 to me, but the score 34-9 is misleading because of the struggle, but you check all the other games and they were close all the way, not a sign of a goo defense.
But, the defense from 2002-2004 dominated all of their opponents? You're a fool if you think so. We got busted up big time in 2002. Got busted up by UGA in 2004.
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just don't agree with y'all about Pelini's defense being better than Saban/Muscamp, no way.
I care about points. You don't. You think one defense is clearly superior in scheme although that defense may give up more points. You're just a dumb guy.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 12:58 pm to tubucoco
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if his defnse was so great, LSU would have beaten Kentucky and Arky without any OT's
If our defense was so great in 2002, we wouldn't have lost 5 games.
If our defense was so great in 2004, we wouldn't have gotten blown out by UGA.
If Saban's defense was so superior, how can they lose to UTAH? You can't tell me that UTAH has the same caliber of athletes that Bama does.
You're not interested in facts. You are a homer.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:00 pm to tubucoco
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your a Pelini homer that is fine.
says the proud Sabanista.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:01 pm to Rocket
so you just wanted to have me point out Pelini's defensive domination on Div 2 schools, but no one else to call me dumb. When all else fails result to name calling that's def the motto on this board, like I said the first time your the dumb one if you think Pelin's defenses were better.
When all else fails result to name calling that's def the motto on this board, like I said the first time your the dumb one if you think Pelin's defenses were better.This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:01 pm to tubucoco
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your full of shite, string of injuries, whatever man, your a Pelini homer that is fine.
Dorsey, Beckwith, Highsmith, Steltz, Alexander, no Rickey-Jean...none of those were important anyway
Hell, we lost both our starting cornerbacks to injury at Kentucky
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:02 pm to tubucoco
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I just don't agree with y'all about Pelini's defense being better than Saban/Muschamp, no way.
Actually, I don't even think we are arguing that. You are arguing that their defense, because of what happened from 2002-2004 is clearly superior to Pelini's while he was here. We are posting facts that contradict that. And you don't like it.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:03 pm to I-59 Tiger
quote:I'm not a Sabanista, just giving credit when credit is due, if I gotta get dumped on by the whole LSU nation apparently.
says the proud Sabanista.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:03 pm to Rocket
i think Saban is a better defensive coach than Bo, hell I think he's the best in the game.
You unfairly and wrongly attacked the 2005 and 2006 LSU defenses who were pretty damn good and better than all but 1 of Saban's Defenses
You unfairly and wrongly attacked the 2005 and 2006 LSU defenses who were pretty damn good and better than all but 1 of Saban's Defenses
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:04 pm to tubucoco
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so you just wanted to have me point out Pelini's defensive domination on Div 2 schools
What? No. I wanted you to tell me what D-II teams we played. You have failed to do that thus far.
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When all else fails result to name calling that's def the motto on this board
You called me a dumb of a bitch earlier in the thread. Remember that? You're in a hole you can't get out of.
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like I said the first time your the dumb one if you think Pelin's defenses were better.
I argued against the notion that his defenses were "less than stellar" when they allowed fewer points in 2005 and 2006 than the previous regime except for 2003 and you flipped out.
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:05 pm to Rocket
you guys are not posting facts, that is bullshite and you know it.
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:07 pm to tubucoco
anwer one question, if LSU had used Saban/Muschamp schemes in those 2 losses in 2007, would they have lost those games?
This post was edited on 6/5/09 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:09 pm to tubucoco
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you guys are not posting facts, that is bullshite and you know it.
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What crack do you smoke? The 2005 defense only allowed 185 points and the 2006 defense only allowed 164 points, only ten more points than our 2003 defense did.
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Only one Saban defense allowed fewer points than the 2005 and 2006 squads.
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In 2005: Florida - 206 yards Alabama - 284 yards Miami - 153 yards 2006: Auburn - 182 yards Florida - 288 yards Kentucky - 227 yards Tenn - 248 yards ND- 291 yards 2007: MSU - 146 yards VT- 149 yards USC- 261 yards UF- 314 yards we padded those stats against some good teams
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I'm talking about what the defense was like from 2000-2004 at LSU. How many points did Bama give up in 2007? I'll tell ya: 286 points. More than any Pelini coached defense at LSU. They gave up 200 points this year, which is still more than the 2005 and 2006 Pelini LSU defense.
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2005 UF-17 (5 turnovers) Auburn-17 Bama-13 Miami-3 2006 AU-7 (should have been 0) UF-23 (turnovers) UK- 0 ND- 14 2007: VT- 7 USC - 16 OSU- 24
Posted on 6/5/09 at 1:10 pm to tubucoco
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you guys are not posting facts, that is bullshite and you know it.
I've posted facts. None that you can refute.
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