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re: Just looking at the numbers for Alabama's running back

Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:00 am to
Posted by CalTiger
California
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Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:00 am to
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So your sayin he's averaging 7 yards a carry vs SEC defenses with one to two tds a game....with people puttin at least 8 in the box to stop him.....and that's supposed to be bad?


As someone else mentioned there are only 3 or 4 decent Ds in the SEC this year and Bama has routed the weaklings as is expected from an excellent team with a heisman contender.

To extrapolate it, without taking into account LSU capabilities , into TR running rough-shod over the LSU D seems illogical and ignorant to say the least.

Will he get some yards - yes
Is he capable of breaking one out - yes
Does that mean he will - dont know
This is the same guy supported by his OL, for whatever be the reason from earthquake/friend was sick/mental trauma/physical injury etc... barely ran for 70 against Tennessee.

Why is it that Bammers find it difficult to accept that he might find it a bit more difficult against LSU?
Posted by CSM23
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:05 am to
I agree with everything you just said....I never said TRich would have a great game with 100 plus....i would even bet against it, were gonna have to make some plays through the air either on screens or down the field....He was made out to be just another back, I think we can both agree that he's a special talent. It started with someone saying that seven ypc and 2 tds a game isn't good....I say thats pretty good against anybody....hes not gonna have 7 ypc against lsu and I know that
Posted by CheeseTiger251
Member since Jun 2011
372 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 3:38 am to
FIrst of all, Trent RIchardson is a stud. Accept it. I think we can move past the denial stage.

Second of all, the biggest difference between LSU's schedule and Alabama's is not that LSU has played way better teams. The difference is LSU has played teams with more potent and/or more balanced offensive fronts. It's hard to argue that Bama's defensive stats are padded a little because Bama played teams like Kent State (finishing dead last in total offense), Ole Miss(115), North Texas(109), Vandy(106) and it doesn't get too much better from there. The one team they've played with an offensive pulse is Arkansas, and they are about as one dimensional as you can get.

Do I think Bama's defense is really talented? Yes, because they are, but their Defensive statistics are just a little overly inflated.

I honestly don't know that Alabama's D will really be the deciding factor of this game though. They're good I just don't see the Alabama defense being in control of the game's outcome. I think the game will be affected more by:

1) how efficiently Lee plays,
2) How Alabama's Offense matches up with our defense (the pressure LSU manages on AJ being the most important part of this matchup), and
3) special teams play(i.e. the field position battle).

This is in a situation where poor officiating and unforced errors (excessive penalties, fumbling in the backfield,etc.) don't change the course of the game, which of course is very possible looking back at past games.





Posted by CSM23
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 4:12 am to
Yeah I can agree with fact that D's stats might be a little padded...I think it will come down to what you said plus turnovers and penalties
This post was edited on 11/4/11 at 4:13 am
Posted by bigeztiger
Columbus Ohio
Member since Jul 2011
5092 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 4:38 am to
Two words.... Bama blows :)
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
8039 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 4:51 am to
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unforced errors


The true key to the game. These teams are both capable, but which one will execute?
Posted by GarmischTiger
Humboldt County
Member since Mar 2007
6938 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 5:43 am to
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Guys (and gals)....stop feeding these fricking trolls.
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CSM23
I'll bite.

I've seen LOTS of Bama trolls on here these past two weeks - LSU ones too - but this guy ain't one.

His tone is matter-of-fact and his arguments are sound.

We just disagree.

Can't wait till gametime.
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 6:05 am to
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The difference is LSU has played teams with more potent and/or more balanced offensive fronts.

This is exactly what I was telling a buddy of mine yesterday (Bama fan) that was trying to convince me that Bama d stopping Penn State was the equal to LSU d stopping Oregon. I laughed, to say the very least.

And WVU is no joke either. No matter what their record is right now, they were undefeated and had that game circled for a good year - ready to get their revenge on LSU. It was a hornet's nest that LSU walked into with a potent pass happy statistical machine offense. I would venture to say that Bama hasn't faced an offense like WVU, much less an Oregon.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23829 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 6:21 am to
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Tennessee 17 for 77 about 4 and a helf per carry


That kind of jumps out at me.... If Tenn. can keep him in check, I am gonna jump out there and say this Tiger D sure as hell can!

Thier schedule looks so dam soft, the negaters will have a wake up call Sat. night!


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would venture to say that Bama hasn't faced an offense like WVU, much less an Oregon.


Oh hell no!! I totally agree with you... And with our Off. on track steadily scoring 30+, it is on for Sat. night
This post was edited on 11/4/11 at 6:23 am
Posted by CSM23
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:01 am to
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Tennessee 17 for 77 about 4 and a helf per carry
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That kind of jumps out at me.... If Tenn. can keep him in check, I am gonna jump out there and say this Tiger D sure as hell can!

Thier schedule looks so dam soft, the negaters will have a wake up call Sat. night!
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That can be misleading though if you watched the game....Tennessee had eight guys in the box and the 9th one was walkin the line to it pretty close....I mean anybody can be stopped if you do that, I don't care who you are. It took a solid half before McElwain figured that out or Saban let him call some passes but what happened after that was 3 quick tds in the third with like 8/8 completed to start the first two drives in the half and only 3 or 4 plays to score the first one...then that opened up the run and TRich finished strong like usual......If I was Chavis I'd do exactly the same thing and make McCarron beat me but the thing is contrary to what many LSU fans think is McCarron can beat you...will he I don't know he's facing a great defense with better corners.....but I watched Austin burn the honey badger alot of times in the WVU game and Maize is about identical as you can get to Austin....and anytime you put some guys out on there own like that it can get risky....but you don't have to complete but one or two big plays down the field and you gotta take theat 8th and 9th guy out of there so it's gonna come down to who can execute their offense....I've seen every team basically put 8 or 9 in the box at one point in the game at least so far this season and I've been happy with McCarron recognizing it and making a smart play with the football....I have confidence that when one on one converage is their with no safety help then we have enough playmakers to make plays against anybody...except maybe Darrel Revis
Posted by 2007lsuno1
Marietta, GA
Member since Aug 2009
6692 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:04 am to
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Kent State 13 carries 37 net yds about 3yds per carry

Penn State 26 carries 111 net yds about 4 yds per carry

North Texas 11 carries 167 net yds about 16 yds per carry

Arkansas 17 for 126 about 7 and a half per carry

Florida 29 for 181 about 6 yds per carry

Vanderbilt 19 for 107 about 5 and half per carry

Ole Miss 17 for 183 about 11 yds per carry

Tennessee 17 for 77 about 4 and a helf per carry


Of his 18 td's 3 against Kent State, 3 against North Texas and 4 against Ole Piss


I think LSU can withstand Trent Richardson and Alabama.


The interesting note is that not one of Bama's opponenets this year has a defense anywhere close to our defense. Arkansas is the best team Bama has played this year and they are marginal at best.

Posted by tiger chaser
Birmingham Ala
Member since Feb 2008
7721 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:07 am to
At looking stats comparison, the strength of schedule plays a huge role in running the numbers up...but that's ok, its not worth getting in a pissing contest over,..Richardson will get his numbers, ...but...LSU will win the game..you have to put the ball in the endzone..we can manage that...run up and down field..but no touchdowns..
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23829 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:10 am to
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Tennessee had eight guys in the box and the 9th one was walkin the line to it pretty close....I mean anybody can be stopped if you do that, I don't care who you are. It took a solid half before McElwain figured that out or Saban let him call some passes but what happened after that was 3 quick tds in the third with like


Good point, but... you have to give me this; that LSU D line and D ends are better than Tenn. Much much quicker, and the holes will be closing much faster than TR is used to seeing.... Also, you can bet with 2 weeks to prepare, The Chief will have some D looks that will disguise his schemes and look to confuse the young qb... I think by the end of the day, facing this caliber of D, with its speed, will be too much for McCarron... but hey, thats why they play the game!
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:12 am to
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And WVU is no joke either. No matter what their record is right now, they were undefeated and had that game circled for a good year - ready to get their revenge on LSU. It was a hornet's nest that LSU walked into with a potent pass happy statistical machine offense. I would venture to say that Bama hasn't faced an offense like WVU, much less an Oregon.




Someone had posted numbers about Bama's average running yards over the last three years against LSU and it was less than several other teams including Ole Miss.

It merely means that , in the last few years, LSU always kicks it up a notch when facing Bama. Don't se why it would be any different this time -except that the LSU team is on a whole another level to start with , that I don't know how much higher it can possibly go
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45125 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:14 am to
If you're posting these stats to show that he's not invincible, please reread them and reconsider. Those are some sick stats.
Posted by CSM23
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:15 am to
thats why they play the game
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The truest statement I've seen so far.....It's no good really even talking about it because you never know what can happen...with these 2 defenses one freak play or freak turnover could decide it
Posted by CSM23
Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:29 am to
re: Just looking at the numbers for Alabama's running back (Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:07 a.m. to themunch)

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At looking stats comparison, the strength of schedule plays a huge role in running the numbers up...but that's ok, its not worth getting in a pissing contest over,..Richardson will get his numbers, ...but...LSU will win the game..you have to put the ball in the endzone..we can manage that...run up and down field..but no touchdowns.
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I've mainly just looked at the head to head stuff versus Tennessee and Florida and it's pretty much even but yeah I don't think I'm gonna convince any of you that Alabama is gonna win and I don't think any of you are gonna convince me that LSU is gonna win
Posted by Vindicated
NC
Member since Oct 2008
605 posts
Posted on 11/4/11 at 7:50 am to
I truly think anything can happen, and the ONLY thing that scares me about this Alabama team is that we are playing in their house. Would it not be interesting if we blow through Bama? Would that seriously put our team on a whole new level compared to others.
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