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re: Josh Dworaczyk - gone or medical RS possible?

Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:22 pm to
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:22 pm to
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HE GETS A 6TH YEAR IF HE HAD A SEASON ENDING INJURY AND PLAYED IN LESS THEN 20% OF THE GAMES!

HE WILL BE BACK NEXT YEAR FOR HIS 6TH SEASON AND IS NOT THE FIRST TIGER TO DO THIS.


Ok -- but it does have to be approved by the NCAA, it's not automatic.... and of course, he'll have to be physically able to play and want to. Which I don't know - when they did the OL segment before the SECCG there was no mention of him declaring for an exemption and returning and I think he has graduated... he might want to hang it up. IDK
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
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Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:23 pm to
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There are no "medical" redshirts in the NCAA. They are all simply redshirts. Your reason for taking it is irrelevant to the NCAA.


negative...

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2) He had an injury his freshman year that required microscopic knee surgery and he tore his ACL in his 5th year. That qualifies him under the generally accepted conditions for a 6th year.


if that's the case, and it's documented that it kept him out, then he may be able to get a 6th. Although with the expected numbers crunch, I doubt the team would push it.
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:24 pm to
slakster they are called "hardship Redshirts" and are given to individuals who have a season ending desease or injury! I just reviewed the rules.

Posted by TigerfFaithful
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
353 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:24 pm to
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He had an injury his freshman year that required microscopic knee surgery and he tore his ACL in his 5th year.


If this is the case, then he should receive a 6th year because he would have missed two seasons (2007 and 2011) due to injury.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2765 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:24 pm to
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gotygers

You are the one making things up. As stated, it's no guarantee that he would get it especially if there was no injury his FR year (I don't really know if there were any or not). However, I think he would probably be in good shape especially since it was his whole SR season that he missed
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:26 pm to
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slackster
I had never heard nor read that his first year was injury related. If it was, then he is a classic case.
Posted by Negatiger1986
Inside the Leather
Member since Sep 2010
455 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:26 pm to
Why won't he be able to play again? What are the details of his injury? ACL? Pretty normal for a full recovery?
Posted by LSU91MBA
Houston
Member since Aug 2008
1588 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:27 pm to
Damn - 2 pages and not one person called anyone else a "douche" ... wow

thanks for the info and opinions... we'll have to wait and see what happens...

I hope he can and wants to play and the NCAA gives him the opportunity ... will be very nice to have another retuning stud OL. Never too many "big uglies" on a team that runs the ball like we do.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12212 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:29 pm to
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Why won't he be able to play again? What are the details of his injury? ACL? Pretty normal for a full recovery?
I don't know the precise nature of his injury, but "normal" recovery for an average weekend warrior is not the same as "normal" recovery for a 6'7", 320 lb. LSU offensive lineman. I'm sure he will be able to lead a relatively normal life, but probably not perform on the football field the way he used to.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86457 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:29 pm to
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I just reviewed the rules.
You are a moron. If you truly are looking things up, start with "6th year".
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12212 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:31 pm to
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slakster they are called "hardship Redshirts" and are given to individuals who have a season ending desease or injury! I just reviewed the rules.
Review them again. A medical hardship waiver is not the same as a waiver of the five-year eligibility window.
Posted by gotygers
west St.Tammany
Member since Sep 2007
3016 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:32 pm to
Bon please read the rules its on the internet it has nothing to do with your freshmen redshirt. But in cases like this its almost a rubber stamp.

"HARDSHIP REDSHIRT"

Slackster Rule specifically states 6TH year!

LSU has done this before!
This post was edited on 12/12/11 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2765 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:34 pm to
That's different from this situation. While he needs a hardship for the season, he also needs a waiver of the 5 year rule
Posted by TigerfFaithful
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2007
353 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:34 pm to
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a waiver of the five-year eligibility window


Were it not for the NCAA's ability to waive the 5 year rule, JD's eligibility to play college football will have expired. JD's case involves a waiver of the 5 year rule (i.e., a 6th year of eligibility). I believe you are talking about the same concept but using different terminology.
This post was edited on 12/12/11 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81439 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:35 pm to
he needs to start his coaching career
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86457 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:38 pm to
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gotygers
Just stop. You are confusing a hardship waiver(1 year) with a clock extension(6th year). Here is a concrete example,

Tech Will Seek Medical Redshirt for Suggs
The redshirt junior from Roanoke injured his left knee against Connecticut on Sept. 1 and is lost for the year.

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I've talked to Mike Goforth and we're preparing the medical documents for the end of the season. That's when we apply for the medical hardship waiver. We send that in at the conclusion of the season and get the medical hardship waiver approved. At that point, we try to get the five-year clock extension.


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What's normally referred to as a redshirt is when an eligible player is held out of all competition. It saves them from using up one of their four seasons of competitive eligibility. It's a conscious decision made in combination with the coaching staff and player. A medical hardship waiver, which is commonly referred to as a medical redshirt, is when there is limited competition, but a season-ending injury occurs prior to the 20 percent point of the season.


Here's where you're lost,

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Q: Explain why getting a medical redshirt doesn't guarantee him a sixth year?



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Once a student-athlete enrolls as a full-time student, what we call the "five-year clock" starts to tick. They have five years from that point in which to complete their four years of eligibility. Since Lee redshirted as a freshman, the 2002 football season will be his fifth year. His "clock" will expire prior to the 2003 football season. Therefore, once we get this season of competitive eligibility back through the medical hardship waiver, he will need a sixth year in which to use that because his "clock" will expire in August of 2003. So that's where we go to the NCAA, if that's what Lee and his family want, and ask for the "clock extension" and try to get that sixth year to use his regained eligibility in.


LINK
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91340 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:40 pm to
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Maximus


Ahh, I knew you would appear in this thread.

Oh, and it is well-documented that you would like to see T-Bob stay on the bench his entire career, but your talent evaluation skills took a serious hit last night when he was awarded the Unsung Hero award by the coaching staff at the banquet.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:40 pm to
It's rule 30.6...
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91340 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:42 pm to
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Although with the expected numbers crunch, I doubt the team would push it.


I may be reading this incorrectly, but are you saying that you doubt the team would want JD to come back?
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12212 posts
Posted on 12/12/11 at 5:47 pm to
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I may be reading this incorrectly, but are you saying that you doubt the team would want JD to come back?
I think what he is saying is that unless JD is going to be start, be 100% healthy, and be appreciably better than Williford or Collins, they don't need him back and his scholly is better used elsewhere.
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