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re: Jordan's Stats from the last five games of the season...
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:42 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:42 pm to dgnx6
really.....he was 10-19 against texas a&m of the big 12....his game against arky was FAR from spectacular....you get so used to sub 100 yard passing games (seven in a row) that you think 145 yards is good.....the offense sucked that game. He was good against Ole Miss...hell, who wasn't. They had the worst defense in the nation last year.....every qb was throwing for 400 yards....he was terrible against ULM, and he was okay against bama 148 yards....but heck 1 pass was for 75 yards so........you try to look at stats..."oh, well he threw for 150 yards"...etc...I look at the overall offense. It was horrible last year...just horrible...otherwise...Lee doesn't even get a chance.....It is LIGHT YEARS ahead of that pitiful offense from last year.
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Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:44 pm to Wideman
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Both defenses are certainly impressive (i'm trying not to be biased in favor or '03 just cause i was friends with them).
One of the feel good stories of this past year of football was Kyle Williams getting paid.
Good for him.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:44 pm to CantonTiger128
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ou get so used to sub 100 yard passing games (seven in a row) that you think 145 yards is good.....the offense sucked that game.
So you think QBs that only throw for around 150 yards a game suck?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:44 pm to BigBoyTiger
quote:not bad, huh?
One of the feel good stories of this past year of football was Kyle Williams getting paid.
Good for him.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:44 pm to Wideman
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2003 may have been better coached, although I'm not so sure... Offenses have evolved since then. I don't think we played any teams in 2003 with the crazy spreads like we have so far this season. Playing against the Oregons and WVUs is where you have to play assignment football (especially Oregon), and they've done pretty good so far.
This board needs more people like you. You played the game and you get the game.
This is a good point. One that I did not contemplate...
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:45 pm to scorb
quote:You can't possibly blame that on JJ after Crowton was sending 19 different personnel packages running onto the field, can you?
Oh I guess that one didn't work out too well for him (but who can expect a Junior, starting QB to get off more than one play in 32 seconds.
Oh, you're stupid? Oh, OK, nevermind.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:46 pm to Wideman
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not bad, huh?
Not at all. Its always nice to see a hard working guy get paid. Especially when he is such a nice guy.
And it's great to see all of these NFL writers giving him his due. I don't get to watch the Bills much, but from what I read, he has really turned into one of the game's best DTs.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:12 pm to NaturalBeam
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You can't possibly blame that on JJ after Crowton was sending 19 different personnel packages running onto the field, can you? Oh, you're stupid? Oh, OK, nevermind.
Of course it isn't his fault...nothing is ever his fault. Every bad offensive play and strategy, while Jefferson was in the game, was completely Crowton's fault. And in 2008, every bad offensive play and strategy, when Lee was in the game, was completely Lee's fault.
Maybe I'm just stupid...but no one was making excuses for Lee when he was the starter. Yet there seems to have always been an endless array of excuses for Jefferson from the very beginning of his career.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:21 pm to scorb
quote:I see you're using deflection. So let's get back on track? Do you think the fact that GC had called multiple personnel packages into the game, and didn't have a play called was JJ's fault? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
Of course it isn't his fault...nothing is ever his fault. Every bad offensive play and strategy, while Jefferson was in the game, was completely Crowton's fault. And in 2008, every bad offensive play and strategy, when Lee was in the game, was completely Lee's fault.
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but no one was making excuses for Lee when he was the starter
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:36 pm to PortCityTiger24
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And some people want him to start primarily because they are the same race.
Lame arse crap. How about what's best for the team. Right now JLee is playing great football. There will be times where JJ's skills might be needed. There is also the injury factor. We do need JJ and I am glad to have him back but you just don't fix something that is not broken. Les said it and I believe it!
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:54 pm to Lagrange Gator
Over the previous 2 years I never got the feeling that JJ was the leader of this team. I do have that felling with JL. He has earned the respect of his fellow teammates. JJ needs to earn it
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:56 pm to Lagrange Gator
How about looking at all of the rest of the games from last year excluding the bowl game?? The fact is the offense is running better under Lee than it ever did under Jefferson. less penalties, bad time outs, confusion etc.. Jefferson is a better athlete, no doubt, but you need a quarterback and not another running back at the quarterback position. I have no hate for Jefferson on the field but Lee has just done a better job. We have won two national championships with quarterbacks that were better field generals than they were athletes, just saying....
Posted on 9/29/11 at 5:58 pm to PortCityTiger24
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And some people want him to start primarily because they are the same race.
Pretty sure that your statement goes both ways.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 6:20 pm to NaturalBeam
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I see you're using deflection. So let's get back on track? Do you think the fact that GC had called multiple personnel packages into the game, and didn't have a play called was JJ's fault? A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.
After watching the end of the game again, I agree with you, the answer is "no" it was not Jefferson's fault.
I did get off track with my 1st post. The point, which I think you completely understand, was: Jefferson got the benefit of some cheap rushing TD stats due to our other QB driving the team into the red zone on more than one occasion.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 6:50 pm to 8TRACK
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The fact is the offense is running better under Lee than it ever did under Jefferson. less penalties, bad time outs, confusion etc..
But we averaged more points and total yards at the end of last year. We have committed more penalties this year. We had confusion and took bad timeouts against Miss. St. this year.
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We have won two national championships with quarterbacks that were better field generals than they were athletes, just saying....
That is bs. Mauck was a really good athlete.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 8:26 pm to ZTiger87
While I agree that Mauck was a good athlete he was still a better QB than he was an athlete, never said he wasn't a good athlete just a better QB. We have averaged more points per game, yards per game, less (quarterback penalties) per game, more passing yards per game than we did all of last year. You can't pick games here and there. If you were able to do that our defense is worse this year that it was last year because in our last game we gave up 533 yds and we didn't do that once the entire year last year. And we all know that our "D" this year is just nasty. Not hating on JJ just not seeing the drastic improvement in which you are alluding to.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 8:45 pm to dgnx6
It's not improvement just like it's common knowledge on here that JJ sucked in 09, while posing a higher qb rating than Flynn in 07. Rant reasoning
Posted on 9/29/11 at 8:59 pm to ZTiger87
how bout we compare jordan's stats from the first four games last year, compared to lee's stats from his first four games...granted, this year was a much more difficult schedule....but still.....let's compare those two. Obviously, you are in agreement that a qb can improve over a year, so comparing the actual start of the season is only fitting right? Or, would you rather compare a qb that had been playing all year, play a couple shitty teams on defense in the end, and then use those stats only? surely not? I mean, you would want to compare apples to apples right? Knowing your integrity? lol
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:17 pm to BigBoyTiger
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And another thing..you are far from objective. You have been in JJ's camp since day one.
So please don't pretend that you are using unbiased logic in this thread.
Uh oh!
Are you saying he's really a
Posted on 9/29/11 at 9:19 pm to dgnx6
No no no no
No more of this debate
We're going with the QB who's been just great the first 4 games...
If Lee is finding it hard to throw or throws a pick or two, I'm ok with seeing JJ in just to finish the game.
No more of this debate
We're going with the QB who's been just great the first 4 games...
If Lee is finding it hard to throw or throws a pick or two, I'm ok with seeing JJ in just to finish the game.
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