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re: Jordan Jefferson is not ready

Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:26 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:26 pm to
UF started last year with a 2nd year QB

didn't AU do the same with cox in 2005?
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:27 pm to
Fair enough. But we're still a 7-3 football team and I guarantee you, he will learn from these mistakes and be a very, very good quarterback for LSU over the duration of his career.

But then again, you're the one who said JJ threw the ball well, so you have no credibility here.
Posted by meauxcheeks
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:29 pm to
He has also taken wins to a "whole nudda level" when was the last time a RS freshman has led his team to 7wins out of 10 games. We have lost to Fla Ga and Bama. At least we were in the Ga and Bama games. Alot of the blame still falls on our inexperienced defensive secondary in those games as well.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:29 pm to
Yeah..but the 2nd year QB did play a signifcant amount during their title run and was exposed to high pressure games.

Fair point with Cox. Hopefully Lee turns out better than Cox does.

But as a whole the situation is unique and that was what I meant in my initial point.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:30 pm to
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Yeah..but the 2nd year QB did play a signifcant amount during their title run and was exposed to high pressure games.

if cox was a 2nd year guy (he might have been a RS frosh), he got no PT

the only PT tebow got was as a fullback. hardly comparable

quote:

Hopefully Lee turns out better than Cox does.

lee has a quality arm and isn't diseased, so he should
Posted by GeauxBob
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:32 pm to
SlowFlowPro, I counted at least two that were bad throws that easily were dropped or saved by WRs and another two that should've been picked. Now those kinds of throws happen to all QBs, even the best ones, but against better opponents they are picked.

I will stand corrected that it was 4 in the whole game outside of 1 that was picked, but at least 2 ocurred in the last 20 minutes when we were coming back.

To BigBoy, he could very well improve, and I hope that he does, but it as to happen mentally, because his mentality is what kills him during the game. He forces throws that NO QB should make even a RS Freshman or True Freshman.

That being said, he will be much better next year. Pick sixes are a lot of luck, but don't tell me 7 in 10 games is bad luck especially when 3 to 4 more (or 11 out of his 15) could easily have gone in the Endzone. He had one in Appy, USCe, and a second in the Bama game just to name a few.

Luck played a part, but not more than any other player that throws INTs.
Posted by Tiger n Chains
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:33 pm to
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In a couple of years? I don't see how he'll eclipse Shep.

Seriously? You realize the only reason Shep is committed to LSU is because Texas said he wasn't good enough to play QB.

The kid is still in high school and Tiger fans think he's a better QB than both JL and JJ?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:34 pm to
i personally think shep ends up playing a hybrid role of percy harvin with the threat of throwing

i may be wrong, but i dunno if he'll ever become a full time QB guy, but he doesn't have to be
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:35 pm to
he should have RS


we have former HS QB's on the roster that can do what he can do at this point, and better(running).
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

he could very well improve, and I hope that he does, but it as to happen mentally, because his mentality is what kills him during the game.


See my point earlier about the speed of the game. Once the game slows down for Lee, like it does for quarterbacks as they get more experience, he will be much better and use sounder judgment.
Posted by meauxcheeks
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:36 pm to
I'll take our 2 balls over Texas' 1. Rivals and Espn150 thinks he's a pretty good QB FWIW.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

we have former HS QB's on the roster that can do what he can do at this point, and better(running).

i agree

i will NEVER understand why we didn't develop some option plays in the offseason. with the abundance of option QBs we have on the roster, SOMEBODY could make those plays work.
Posted by tigerbait5189
ruston
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:37 pm to
umm do u remember jack hunt. played wr in high school.came to lsu and started at free safety. people switch pos all the time. he could be a hell of an wide out u never know
Posted by Tiger n Chains
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:38 pm to
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Rivals and Espn150 thinks he's a pretty good QB FWIW.

And I can't wait for him to get here ... I'm just saying we're writing off both JL and JJ and annointing a high school guy who's anything but proven.
Posted by GeauxBob
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:41 pm to
But my point is that in 10 games it has yet to slow down for him at all, so what makes you think it will slow down anymore next year?

I am just saying he's shown almost no progression at all and in many cases has regressed.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:42 pm to
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so what makes you think it will slow down anymore next year?

you act like lee only throws picks

lee is going to throw and throw and throw. the coaches are going to have to develop a gameplan for him

things will slow down when we have an offense built for his strengths, and he can learn that offense and the reads that it requires. just b/c he's playing in games doesn't mean he's supposed to develop

and he was regressing, but he took a step back up to his original level of play last night
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

I am just saying he's shown almost no progression at all and in many cases has regressed.


The only people who can judge this are his coaches who understand the nuances of the game. Not a bunch of wanna be coaches on message boards.

I think what you saw in the 2nd half last night was very positive and you will see him build on that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:44 pm to
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I think what you saw in the 2nd half last night was very positive and you will see him build on that.

slow down

we have seen this pattern from J Lee before

he hasn't built on it. and before last night he had regressed backwards from that level
Posted by meauxcheeks
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:45 pm to
+1
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:45 pm to
quote:

will NEVER understand why we didn't develop some option plays in the offseason. with the abundance of option QBs we have on the roster, SOMEBODY could make those plays work.



a little creativity like that also could help recruiting, IMO
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