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re: Jordan Jefferson is not ready
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:45 pm to GeauxBob
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:45 pm to GeauxBob
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You didn't answer my question, but deflected from it. I know that JJ isn't the passing threat that Lee is, but when Lee's arm is doing nothing and we run 6 straight plays to avoid him getting an INT, what difference did it make to bring in JJ to run say, an option or read option or draw? Huh?
That's fine. But you are saying JJ should get more PT and what I'm saying is is that he is not near the threat that JL is back there.
And I love how you now say JL has talent when you have been dogging him all day.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now do you all realize why Lee has stayed starting
I agree with second part of your post but disagree with JJ not being ready to play. If JL would have been lighting up the scoreboard and not the visitors, I would say “JJ needs to watch and learn.” But its clear JL is learning too.
I think JJ also needs a little more game speed repetition. And should have played against Tulane like he did last night.
Also coming in the game gave JL a break and changed the pace of the game.
I was encouraged by what I saw from JJ last night, as well as JL in 2nd half.
This is what LSU has right now and the coaches need to do the BEST they can with it. Right now LSU is at its best with 2 different QB’s running the offense. IMO
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:49 pm to BigBoyTiger
I've been dogging the kid's decision making not his physical talents. He's got a hell of an arm, but he makes serious bone-head plays. He's hot and cold, but tends to run cold 3 times as much as hot.
Physically he has the ability, but makes mistakes like continually throwing off his back foot when he has no reason to and can easily step into his throws.
Physically he has the ability, but makes mistakes like continually throwing off his back foot when he has no reason to and can easily step into his throws.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:51 pm to GeauxBob
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He's hot and cold, but tends to run cold 3 times as much as hot
All redshirt freshman, particularly those that play in the SEC past, present or future, will have moments like this. It's just not JL, which is what I've been saying on this board all the time.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:53 pm to GeauxBob
I crack up at the people on here that wanted JJ in the game all last week, criticizing Miles for not putting him in, wondering why he wasn't in there. Fast forward to last night and the student section boos Lee when he was introduced in pregame, then boos him again during the game. JJ comes in and everyone goes crazy, thinking that this kid is Moses or something, gonna lead us to the promise land. Did you any of you see JJ play? He sucked at best. He completed 1 pass for 5 yards. His running ability was below average. Heck, Hatch runs as good as this guy. When Miles says he's not ready, damn he's not ready. Is that the coaches fault that he's not? Most likely. I hope all of you like the crow that's in your mouth today.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:55 pm to BigBoyTiger
Moments like that are fine. He has strings of games like that. It is no excuse to claim it has anything to do with the SEC. He's played like that against the likes of Appy State, Tulane, North Texas, and now Troy State. It's not just in big games.
Most RS Freshman in the SEC don't have the OL, WRs and RBs that Lee has either. His picks aren't because of good defense either, and they are consistently happen.
His flashes are amazing. It's like one moment he's an All-American and then the next 10 moments he's not even worthy of being 3rd string at a directional school.
Again, he's got the physical tools, but metally his progression has moved no where.
Most RS Freshman in the SEC don't have the OL, WRs and RBs that Lee has either. His picks aren't because of good defense either, and they are consistently happen.
His flashes are amazing. It's like one moment he's an All-American and then the next 10 moments he's not even worthy of being 3rd string at a directional school.
Again, he's got the physical tools, but metally his progression has moved no where.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:57 pm to GeauxBob
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Again, he's got the physical tools, but metally his progression has moved no where.
Man..that's a little rough. Have a little patience. He is 19. It's not like he's a fifth year player or anything. I mean what do you expect? Chase Daniel?
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:57 pm to Excelsior
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He did it in high school
Well maybe he needs to go back to high school.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:58 pm to meauxcheeks
Meaux, most of us knew he wouldn't light it up. Most just wanted a change of pace. He offers the running threat much like Hatch did, and that time on the bench helps force Lee to think about the game more.
Even against Bama, the best I'd have expected from him was to come in and run for a few first downs, and that would've been better than handing off to Scott 6 straight plays for 2 straight 3 and outs.
Lee is obviously hands down the better passer now, and should get most of the reps by far, but having the change of pace is what made LSU successful last year.
Even against Bama, the best I'd have expected from him was to come in and run for a few first downs, and that would've been better than handing off to Scott 6 straight plays for 2 straight 3 and outs.
Lee is obviously hands down the better passer now, and should get most of the reps by far, but having the change of pace is what made LSU successful last year.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 3:58 pm to meauxcheeks
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Is that the coaches fault that he's not? Most likely.
tough to develop 3 inexperienced guys
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:01 pm to BigBoyTiger
No, I don't expect a world beater, but I expect a player realizing the circumstances and playing within the team. No one is saying he needs to WIN the games for us, but just to manage and not LOSE the games for us.
I really wish the kid the best, and as a Tiger fan hope for him to succeed, but he hasn't improved all season despite his second half last night.
Lee's biggest problem is he needs to take his time and follow through on his throws by stepping into them, and to realize that the defense might take away a play and sometimes its best to not throw the pass scripted in the play.
He'll get there in time I hope, but I haven't seen him improve from the spring game or Appy state game until now in that manner.
I really wish the kid the best, and as a Tiger fan hope for him to succeed, but he hasn't improved all season despite his second half last night.
Lee's biggest problem is he needs to take his time and follow through on his throws by stepping into them, and to realize that the defense might take away a play and sometimes its best to not throw the pass scripted in the play.
He'll get there in time I hope, but I haven't seen him improve from the spring game or Appy state game until now in that manner.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:02 pm to meauxcheeks
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He sucked at best. He completed 1 pass for 5 yards. His running ability was below average. Heck, Hatch runs as good as this guy.
did you actually watch the game?
He looked pretty damn good with that much pressure on him. The receivers didn't help him out by dropping passes that hit him in the hands.
and I like his running ability, especially in the red zone.
god damn, he did just as well as lee did in his first real start.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
JJ gets moved to 4th on the dept chart next year.
he will probably redshirt. imo.
he will probably redshirt. imo.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now do you all realize why Lee has stayed starting?
JJ does have all the tools, however
i just hope that JJ learns how to run the option. it's obvious it is not his strong suit. if he can harness his running and add it to his throwing ability, then he could be something special in a couple years
I actually agree. I think Miles is doing the right thing by slowly merging him into it.
Clearly he isnt ready to start. I have a feeling we will be just fine at QB next year, we just have to get through this season first.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:04 pm to GeauxBob
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Lee's biggest problem is he needs to take his time and follow through on his throws by stepping into them, and to realize that the defense might take away a play and sometimes its best to not throw the pass scripted in the play.
Again, this is totally unrealistic. You're asking a kid who hasn't played any live football for almost two years to come in and adjust to the speed of the game. I mean he was playing 4A football in Texas and now he is playing against Division 1 college athletes. The speed is so much faster. I would argue he probably needed this entire season to adjust to the speed only...
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's not the savior people on here made him out to be
Its not a question of him being a savior. All we need is someone not to give the games away. He threw with a lot more discipline than JL. I didn't see any pick sixes, did you...
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:07 pm to GeauxBob
Yes, I agree with you in the sense that spelling Lee is a good idea. It does seem to settle him down a bit. I think that Lee will be awesome. I already think that, for a RS Freshman, he is awesome. I don't like the INT's or Pick6's any less than anyone else, but the kid is good, and I get sick of everyone forgetting that he is a RSF and throwing him under the bus.
Posted on 11/16/08 at 4:08 pm to Cinci Tiger
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He threw with a lot more discipline than JL. I didn't see any pick sixes, did you
Dude...of his 5 throws, one was complete and three were not even in the same zip code as the receiver...I'm not quite sure what you were watching.
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