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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)

Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:05 pm to
Here's all you need to know about the play. WR makes his cut, ball still in hand





The WR hasn't even made his cut yet, and ball is away


Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:10 pm to
Because of the coverage you idiot. Slightly underthrown and it's a pick 6. Which I am sure you would have loved.
In an situation of tight under coverage you throw it deep. OOOOOOPS there is back coverage too. Then you throw the fu cking ball away.

You never played football did you?
7th grade PE doesn't count.

Example 2 is different coverage. You are either blind or totally absent of any football knowlege to not see the difference.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 9:12 pm
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:15 pm to
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TIsuGGER


Please...Go be an Auburn Fan.

It's not the same route, play, or formation
Posted by Uncommon Cents
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2008
14381 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:21 pm to
quote:

It's not the same route, play, or formation


Or remotely the same defensive set up.
He's just another of the disgruntled JJ Basher Brigade sneaking out from under his rock.

Posted by TimT
Tiger Stadium on Saturday Nights
Member since Feb 2006
737 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:32 pm to
I just rewatched the game. This time Miles put Sheppard at QB and JJ in the slot. Sheppard threw a lob to himself for the TD and JJ tore his jersey open like Superman.

Hold-on; T-Bob moved again. 5 yard penalty. Damn it! Upon running the 3rd down again JJ held on to the ball too long again and had to throw it away.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

It's not the same route, play, or formation

Of all the dumb statements in this thread, this is possibly the dumbest.

The ball needed to be delivered as he broke. Otherwise he doesn't have enough space to catch it before going out of bounds

REGARDLESS OF THE ROUTE, PLAY OR FORMATION!!!


Oh and if NoCommon Cents is your chief supporter, time to re-think your thought
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
34489 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

You say tuh-may-toe, I say tuh-mah-toe, let's call the whole thing off.
:jesustapdancingchrist:

It's not just different terminology.

A fade route is not an out route. It's two completely different routes.

Moreover, it's two completely different passing techniques for the QB. The fade is a lofted pass. The out is on a rope.

quote:

You're bordering on obtuse.
You're not bordering on obtuse. You've purchased a home in the middle of obtuseland, and they've crowned you king.
Posted by just me
Front of the Class: Schooling You
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 10:47 pm to
Here's all you need to know about the play.
quote:

WR makes his cut, ball still in hand
Randle made his cut five yards deep in the endzone directly toward the sideline. That's an out route. It was covered.
quote:

The WR hasn't even made his cut yet, and ball is away
Wrong. Look at the video again. Toliver had just made his cut. Toliver took two shuffle steps for about a yard, and then angled directly away from the QB. His cut was about 45 degrees from straight down the field. That's a fade. The pass is lofted so it must be thrown early to arrive on time.
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 10/11/11 at 11:45 pm to
quote:

Wrong. Look at the video again. Toliver had just made his cut. Toliver took two shuffle steps for about a yard, and then angled directly away from the QB. His cut was about 45 degrees from straight down the field. That's a fade. The pass is lofted so it must be thrown early to arrive on time.


Thanks for trying to help...but if they don't understand after 17 pages, they will never understand.

If only they had played football before
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86346 posts
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:07 am to
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Uncommon Cents
You need to join a different brigate. You're killing the one you're working for now. I could try and not be more wrong than you are on this, and I'm pretty good at being wrong.
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 10/12/11 at 8:31 am to
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Wrong. Look at the video again

I don't have to look at the video to see that RR is about 4 strides from the sideline. The ball should already be on its way, in order for Randle to control it in enough time to get a foot down. If he has to stop, the pass gets deflected or intercercepted.

The fact that JJ threw it 5 yards out of bounds, proves JJ knew he waited too late. Therefore, I don't really care what your speculation is, I saw the result with my own eyes.
Posted by Tigerdew
The Garden District of Da' Parish
Member since Dec 2003
14803 posts
Posted on 10/12/11 at 10:06 am to
I watched this play again last night and I stand corrected. JJ did in fact hold on to the ball a bit too long. If he makes that throw as soon as RR cuts it's a TD. Timing just isn't there.

LINK
Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 10/12/11 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

I watched this play again last night and I stand corrected. JJ did in fact hold on to the ball a bit too long. If he makes that throw as soon as RR cuts it's a TD. Timing just isn't there.


Thanks for putting up the video

The hitch that Jefferson demonstrated was when Florida's #9 undercut the route. That is when he "chunked" it out of bounds. If #9 stays on the inside, he throws the ball to RR because #5 was on his back and RR comes back to the ball for a TD.

If the out route would have been the first option and JJ did the same hesitation, then I would agree. Florida just had the right defensive call.

This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 12:12 pm
Posted by PacLSU
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:48 pm to


Posted by LSUPHILLY72
Member since Aug 2010
5369 posts
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:28 pm to


That would be a "fade" and that was not the play called.

I am going to go back through this thread tonight when I get a good buzz going and I am going to write down every poster who commented who thinks it was supposed to be a "fade" and make a list...so I can know to ignore all your football comments because you know nothing...except maybe how to draw on pictures and expose yourself as not knowing how to play Grown Man Football.
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