re: Jefferson's Legacy

quote:

---

JJ can be absolutely shut down.
JJ can lose any game for us.

---

These statements are true.

quote:

---

they load the box to stop our run, we lose.
We need to go undefeated to win the championship

---

These are not.

quote:

---

Davey, Mauck, Russell, Flynn... they were all incredibly effective.

---

And they were all good leaders. A quality that jj lacks. I wish the guy all the luck in the world but for Christ's sake, when you screw up, don't start acting like a 5 yr old who got caught doing something wrong & tries to blame it on his little brother. I can accept the fact that he isn't a world=class qb, nobody is asking him to be but he just needs to own up to his mistakes on the field & stop looking around for someone or something to blame it on.

G E A U X T I G E R S!!!

if he wins a NC as the starting QB he will forever be a legend.. i'm bout to the point of just rallying behind jefferson and his "swag"

quote:

---

It's nothing personal but JJ is not a good QB and will not lead LSU to a MNC. We have had one of the worst passing games in the nation the past two years and he is still being defended. I don't care how many wins he has he will never be in the company as JR, Flynn, Davey, Mauck or Tyler. They helped their teams win and JJ holds his team back. He is very lucky LSU is so talented. If he played during the Tyler days his record would be very different.

---

This is completely relevant to the question. Mauck is the name most frequently mentioned when speaking of the NC in 2003, but what gets left unsaid ( even if it is understood ) is how the defense just completely shut down EVERYONE that year.

JJ has the luxury of having thrown to LaFell and Tolliver early in his career, having Charles Scott and Stevan Ridley punishing defenders, and utilizing great defenses and special teams to get great field position... not even examining the fact that Josh Jasper attempted more FGs than any kicker in the country when we were on the 8 yard line and couldn't punch it in.

The question, in essence, is EXACTLY how much dirt can a NC ring clean up for him?

ETA: See the post above. It only takes one great season to completely color the opinion of a player...

quote:

---

c"mon man he didnt throw 2nd TD till like his 9th or 10th game what the hell do u think it will be...sheesh

---

Actually, his 2nd TD was in his 2nd game against Arky in 2008.

C'mon man, it's examining an entire body of work. Everybody else gets it, try to keep up.

quote:

---

then he might make my top 50 qb list at LSU.......

---

10th in LSU career TD Passes and Pass ypg (as a Jr)
LINK

quote:

---

only coach in LSU history to beat Auburn, Florida and Alabama in same season - and he's done it twice; only first-year coach in SEC history to lead team to league's title game; eleven wins over coaches who have won national titles; and the only coach in LSU history to lead Tigers to three-straight top-five final rankings. Oh, he also won a NC.

What "hump" are you saying Coach Miles has to get over?

---

I didn't say he was a mirror of his head coach in that he'd never make it over the hump.

I said he was a somewhat sloppy caretaker. Which mirrors his coach and his hiring practices immediately prior and throughout his playing career.

You actually quoted what I just rewrote for a 2nd time, so I'm guessing you were looking for any reason to regurgitate his fairly well-chewed and somewhat cud-like resume.

He's here till he doesn't want to be anymore. I get it. I don't trust him. I like him. But he's a sloppy caretaker.

Say whatever you want about it. But don't misconstrue what I said so you can flail at windmills, Kemosabe.

quote:

---

He is right there with Ruben Randle

---

que?

Remembered that he had lee as a savior of three games last year. That is his legacy. Everyone seems to forget that lee bailed him out last year.