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Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:10 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Lets take a look at the "big picture" here and not let Guilbeau paint the picture with one color.
JJ is true freshamn. JL and Hatch start taking a majority of snaps.
4 games later at Auburn, Lee emerges as the guy in part because of merit but also because of injury.
JJ is now delegated to take snaps. He does a qb draw on the goal line and then gets "injured."
Lee struggles while LSU attempts to medically redshirt JJ.
The wheels fall off and JJ has to play. He practices and succeeds.
SO MANY FACTORS........so many lead to this ultimate conclusion. After 3 qbs and 13 games, JJ is the guy.
Know need to reharp on what transpired Glen. Thats the facts. It's tough to say where JJ could have came in besides the redshirt fiasco.
See how Glen forgot all that important shite.
JJ is true freshamn. JL and Hatch start taking a majority of snaps.
4 games later at Auburn, Lee emerges as the guy in part because of merit but also because of injury.
JJ is now delegated to take snaps. He does a qb draw on the goal line and then gets "injured."
Lee struggles while LSU attempts to medically redshirt JJ.
The wheels fall off and JJ has to play. He practices and succeeds.
SO MANY FACTORS........so many lead to this ultimate conclusion. After 3 qbs and 13 games, JJ is the guy.
Know need to reharp on what transpired Glen. Thats the facts. It's tough to say where JJ could have came in besides the redshirt fiasco.
See how Glen forgot all that important shite.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:11 pm to King Joey
quote:No, it isn't. Lee gave the other teams a total of 52 free points over 7 games.
Yes, he could have. It absolutely is possible for a QB to be much worse than Lee ever was.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:12 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
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No, it isn't. Lee gave the other teams a total of 52 free points over 7 games.
That's pretty much worse case scenario for any qb. Seriously.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:13 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:I don't read him so I don't know for sure, but if he is "always" anything then he probably is a terrible writer. But more to the point, if he is always negative, he is absolutely not objective.
Is Andy Rooney a terrible writer because he's always negative?
quote:No, the fact that he is wildly unobjective simply to garner attention is unprofessional. Unfortunately, the journalism profession has devolved to embrace the unprofessional, and to absolutely purge anything remotely objective.
Because you don't like GG's approach doesn't make him unprofessional.
quote:No, he makes up silly things to say about Miles to rile up a fanbase. He is pretty much exactly like Finebaum, only without a radio show (as far as I know).
GG is not a shock jock like Finebaum. He doesn't make up silly things to say about Saban for the sheer purpose of riling up a fanbase.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:14 pm to LSU Fan 90812
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you're reaching.
No he isn't. The qbs aren't the problem in this years equation.
Not scoring Muschamp last year and then delgating co-dc's was the issue. Turnovers killed us but we are LSU! We beat Florida with 5 turnovers one year cause WE PLAY D!
The defense is the story and it's being fixed.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:15 pm to King Joey
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But more to the point, if he is always negative, he is absolutely not objective.
nevermind KJ. you're arguing far out in lala land.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:16 pm to Veritas
quote:And exactly how is this "for sure"? Do you really believe a QB is incapable of throwing more than 17 INTs?
One thing is for sure he would not have thrown 17 interceptions.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:That, I might agree with.
"Hmm. Maybe we should've gone with Jordan a little earlier."
"Yeah, but we couldn't know that."
But a simple question for you: Did Guilbeau's article say that it's possible Jefferson would have been better than what we had if he had played earlier, or that it was a mistake not to play him earlier? Do you see how one is a question and the other is an assertion? And that assertion insists that he knows more about coaching (and these particular players that Miles watches in practice almost every day) than Miles does.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:20 pm to AlaTiger
I DONT BLAME LES FOR WANTING TO REDSHIT JJ, BUT WHEN THAT RED SHIRT CAME OFF LES MESSED UP BY NOT GOING TO JJ WAAAAAY EARLIER. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THROWING GOOD IN PRACTICE AND THAT TRANSLATING INTO A GAME DAY LEADER. JJ IS A GAME DAY LEADER. I FORGIVE LES FOR THIS MISTAKE AND I HOPE HE LEARNED FROM IT.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:20 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Oh, and I don't think GG really believes he knows more than Miles, either. He just makes that claim constantly in his articles (or "columns", if you think that excuses his bullshite more).
And I don't think GG thinks that
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:22 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Okay, how about 12 out of 14 times last year?
not this year King Joey. And not even at times last year.
Straight up answer the question: has his writing been as consistently positive as our program has been consistently successful, or not?
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:24 pm to King Joey
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When a quarterback plays so well and improves so well on such short notice as Jefferson did beginning with the Ole Miss game because of Lee's ankle injury and continuing through the Chick-fil-A Bowl — it makes it abundantly clear that Miles and Crowton should have given Jefferson a much more serious look long ago. Once Hatch went down with the broken leg against Georgia, Miles and Crowton absolutely should have gotten Jefferson ready. He should have played more against Tulane on Nov. 1 and could have won the Alabama game on Nov. 8. Then who knows what may have happened.
relevant part of the article. the first 75% is all positive about the tigers going forward.
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Straight up answer the question: has his writing been as consistently positive as our program has been consistently successful, or not?
yes. There has been a lot of positive writing from GG. People only notice the negative. You yourself have stopped reading.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:25 pm to King Joey
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has his writing been as consistently positive as our program has been consistently successful, or not?
Not that I'm saying I think this, but why does he necessarily have to be positive all the time? The job of a journalist is to inform and spark interest. The heart of a good story is to form, and support, an argument. By providing stats and info, and getting people's panties in a bunch, it sounds like he's doing his job.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:29 pm to AlexLSU
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it sounds like he's doing his job.
At sucking at what he does! GG is 20+years of journalism FAIL.
It's a journalist job to get people's panties in a bunch? Is that listed on the job description before or after the lifting over 25lbs and able to stand for long periods of time?
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Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:29 pm to AlexLSU
quote:Yeah, this is the depressing part. Some people actually believe this.
any regular fan on the Rant this year could've made some personnel decisions better than the coaches did this year.
quote:Well, 8 or so members of one of the most highly paid coaching staffs in the country failed to see what you insist was so obviously true to you. So why is it that you are not making much money coaching?
How hard was it to see that Danny McCray was constantly played out of position?
Look there are TONS of things going into these personnel decisions of which you and I are completely unaware. Hours upon hours of practice time and observation, tons of other details about the players' performances, potential pitfalls that could have more dire consequences that the shortcomings of the player that are on the field, etc., etc.
It's like looking at a bridge that collapses. It is obviously legit for pretty much anyone to say, "somebody screwed something up." But when some yahoo off the street (or on the Rant) starts criticizing the engineers' decisions to build with such-and-such rather than so-and-so, or that they obviously should have used "X" type of design rather than "Y", it is simply laughable. You can easily see that there was a failure, but without the years of training and experience in such a highly specialized field, there is virtually no chance of you being able to correctly figure out problems the far more qualified teams of engineers missed.
Yes, there were mistakes made this season. Yes, not playing Jefferson earlier might have been one of them. But it is also true than not playing Jefferson earlier might have saved us from a 6 or 7 loss season. We don't know, we aren't coaches, and we weren't there. And neither was Guilbeau.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:33 pm to AlexLSU
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Not that I'm saying I think this, but why does he necessarily have to be positive all the time? The job of a journalist is to inform and spark interest. The heart of a good story is to form, and support, an argument. By providing stats and info, and getting people's panties in a bunch, it sounds like he's doing his job.
It's one thing to stire up controversy every now and then, it's another to do what GG does, the man has had almost no positive things to say about LSU in our most successfull years in football.
So GG thinks Jefferson should have played earlier? Did he watch JJ in the first few games, he looked like a true freshman, he missed some passes and fumbled on the damn goal line against Miss St. Is it at all possible that the coaches were right and JJ was NOT ready for full time action at that point in the season? I know the coaches being right is a crazy thought to all of us. But when JJ was called upon and he knew he had to deliever, he did. And it was not his fault we lost to Ark. it was the defenses'.
It took time for him to develop leadership and trust with his teammates.
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:33 pm to AlexLSU
quote:Unless Millen has a few winning seasons and a Championship Trophy hidden somewhere that I don't know about, the comparison is wildly inapplicable.
Matt Millen got payed a lot of money to run the Lions, but do you think some Detroit journalists and fans could've made a better decision than him at some point?
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Those are pretty obvious things that we can see, and you can try to convince me that the coaches had a reason, or didn't think someone else could do better, but I won't believe it because these were fairly obvious blunders.
Okay, follow this with me. Les Miles did not simply sit there and watch Jarrett Lee run out on the field every time. He called for him to go out there. That was a decision Les Miles made. Now, you are saying that you don't believe the coaches had a reason to do that or had a reason to believe that he would play better than Jefferson. So I ask you: what do you believe was guiding Miles' decision every time he called for Lee to go into the game, and every time he decided not to run Jefferson with the #1s at practice?
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:34 pm to King Joey
quote:
Yes, there were mistakes made this season. Yes, not playing Jefferson earlier might have been one of them. But it is also true than not playing Jefferson earlier might have saved us from a 6 or 7 loss season. We don't know, we aren't coaches, and we weren't there. And neither was Guilbeau.
based on how jordan jefferson played which do you think was more likely?
Posted on 1/2/09 at 2:35 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:So when you stand with 20 at the blackjack table, and the dealer flips an ace and then hits 21, you think to yourself, "well that was a mistake; better not stand with 20 again!"
I look at my own decisions in the exact same way.
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