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re: Jefferson is Seriously Limited.

Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:49 pm to
Posted by jdrumdog
baton rouge, la
Member since Jan 2010
7655 posts
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:49 pm to
Chicken, if we started airing it out, and there were interceptions being made, guess what? These guys would be spewing hate on the horrible playcalling...."why are we throwing it down the field with this QB?" blah blah blah.

Certainly is too bad we have idiots as fans.
Posted by jdrumdog
baton rouge, la
Member since Jan 2010
7655 posts
Posted on 9/7/10 at 11:55 pm to
say what you want RobbBobb, but JL turns the ball over too much. Period. You can't have that happen in the SEC.

JJ is, sadly, the best option at QB because he didn't and still hasn't consistently turned the ball over as much as JL.
Posted by surf23451
Virginia Beach, VA
Member since Nov 2004
168 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 12:08 am to
I would like to see Jarad Lee get another chance. Hopefully he has mentally recovered from the 2008 debacle. His overall skillset should be improved. The O-line appears to be improved.

JJ guarantees 3-5 losses.
Posted by truck man
Member since Dec 2007
75 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:23 am to
quote:

150 passing yards against 2nd and 3rd teamsers is horrendous no matter what league you are in. It is what it is.


15 completions for 151 yards
1 completion for 51 yards
1 completion for 21 yards
13 completions for 79 yards
no throw other than the the 51 yarder and 21 yarder went for more than 7 yards.
that's just terrible if you ask me.
Posted by truck man
Member since Dec 2007
75 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:33 am to
quote:

You guys remember Flynn so fondly because: We won the national title, he's a "good leader", he carried himself in a way that was more endearing than JJ.

But you're letting your personal fondness for Flynn cloud your memories and your judgements of him versus JJ as far as how they performed on the field



Flynn is a backup QB in the NFL. in fact he backs up Rodgers who may be the 4th best QB in the league. JJ won't even make a practice squad. but i do think there is a common denominator here that has stunted the progression of both QBs, and his name is Gary Crowton.

Crowton hasn't developed a top QB at any stop.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:42 am to
quote:

15 completions for 151 yards
1 completion for 51 yards
1 completion for 21 yards
13 completions for 79 yards
no throw other than the the 51 yarder and 21 yarder went for more than 7 yards.
that's just terrible if you ask me.


true dat..

quote:

Flynn is a backup QB in the NFL. in fact he backs up Rodgers who may be the 4th best QB in the league. JJ won't even make a practice squad.


and dat...

This post was edited on 9/8/10 at 8:44 am
Posted by BT
North La
Member since Aug 2008
9766 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:47 am to
quote:

JJ was $hitty in that game, but lets get real - Florida was ranked #1. Louisiana Tech was ranked
# uhhh... uhhh...



oh, wait. Another excuse.

OK, Fla was #1, but they werent really #1, now were they? After all, didnt Bama beat them? But what did our scrub of a 2nd string QB do against the true #1 Fla team?

quote:


Jarrett Lee: 38/23; 2 ints; 209 yds; 2 TDs; 2 sacks (-15 yds)



So in comparison, one against a faux #1 Fla, and the real deal #1 Fla team:

Jarrett Lee: 38/23; 2 ints; 209 yds; 2 TDs; 2 sacks (-15 yds)
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)


Thats twice the completions, twice the yds, 2 more TDs, half the sacks and sack yardage.



I'll hang up and wait on the run game excuse to follow



Im glad you posted that.. I thought about it and even looked it up.. but got lazy and said F it.

good post.... I would add also that JL's performance vs fla was on the road while JJ's was at home.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 9:27 am to
quote:

Im glad you posted that.. I thought about it and even looked it up.. but got lazy and said F it.

good post.... I would add also that JL's performance vs fla was on the road while JJ's was at home.


uh oh....the other guy is right wait for the he had a running game and a o-line argument...
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

So in comparison, one against a faux #1 Fla, and the real deal #1 Fla team:

Jarrett Lee: 38/23; 2 ints; 209 yds; 2 TDs; 2 sacks (-15 yds)
Jo. Jefferson: 11/17; 1 int; 96 yds; 0 TDs; 5 sacks (-31 yds)


Thats twice the completions, twice the yds, 2 more TDs, half the sacks and sack yardage.


so b/c in one of JL best performance (which came in a blowout that he contributed to) he played better than JJ's worst performance, JL is somehow better? i'll ask you the same thing i asked the others. when was this golden age of JL? what game did JL ever play that you feel like we would do well to replicate week in week out?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

what game did JL ever play that you feel like we would do well to replicate week in week out?

Even taking into consideration that some of the WRs often gave up on their routes, there was Auburn, Miss St, Fla, S. Car, Ga, Troy

Wanna know why? 67-398; 64-427; 67-321; 75-363; 71-497 ; 80-340

What is that you ask? number of plays, and total offensive yards.


Avg of those 5 games 71 plays, 391 yds. Good enough to have ranked LSU 50th in the nation last yr. I'd replicate that week in, week out
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 7:52 pm to
quote:

what game did JL ever play that you feel like we would do well to replicate week in week out?



Even taking into consideration that some of the WRs often gave up on their routes, there was Auburn, Miss St, Fla, S. Car, Ga, Troy


Lets take these one at a time.

Auburn W 26-21 11 22 182 50.0 39 2 1

his numbers here look like a less accurate version of the game the JJ just had against UNC, expect of course JJ didn't spot the opposition the JL's traditional 7 point gift.

C


Mississippi State W 34-24 18 27 261 66.7 43 2 1

good game. in my opinion the best JL ever played. If he did this week in week out, i would agree with you. unfortunately, that's not what happened.

B+/A-

Florida L 51-21 23 38 209 60.5 24 2 2
are you effing kidding calling this a good game?
at the end of the 1st QTR JL was 1-5 for 1 yd, with 1 int, 2 3-and-outs, and LSU was down 17-0 and they never recovered. even in catch up mode the rest of the day JL only got 200 yds including the traditional pick 6 and LSU lost by 30.

C

@South Carolina W 24-17 16 26 189 61.5 36 0 1
a perfectly blah game. If JJ gave this exact same performance next week, you'd call for his head.

C+

Georgia L 52-38 14 28 287 50.0 66 3 3
You consider this a good performance? 2 pick 6's another pick that led to a FG. JJ has never played this poorly.

D

Troy W 40-31 20 34 216 58.8 33 1 1

Good comeback shows heart and that means something. it was at home vs troy, but it still counts. pick 6 of course, but i'll be generous.

B

You know what's interesting? Aub, MSU, FLA, SC, and GA were consecutive games. but you skipped over a couple to get to Troy. Lets take a look at the ones you so cleverly left out. shall we


Tulane W 35-10 8 20 99 40.0 29 1 1 88.08 2 -33 -16.5 0 0


less than 100 yards and 50% completion against Tulane plus the traditional 7 point gift to the opposition? be honest, if JJ gave this performance what would you say?

D-

Alabama L 27-21 13 34 181 38.2 30 1 4

traditional pick 6, another pick that gave AL the ball in the red zone, a pick in OT, and another misc. INT. He single handedly gave this game away. even D- QB play and LSU wins in a walk

F---

JJ has 4 performances better than any of JL's MSU game and 0 performances close to AL or TUL or LA Tech.

JJ can't win with you. period.
This post was edited on 9/8/10 at 7:54 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

0 performances close to AL or TUL or LA Tech



Florida !! - JJ never crossed midfield in the entire 2nd half. No QB has ever done that in my lifetime. But then again, JJ is known for not having a second half game

Ark 08, Ga Tech, Miss St, Ga, Fla, Ole Miss, UNC
Posted by longwayfromLA
NYC
Member since Nov 2007
3331 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 8:54 pm to
quote:

Florida !! - JJ never crossed midfield in the entire 2nd half. No QB has ever done that in my lifetime. But then again, JJ is known for not having a second half game


you are correct. JJ played very poorly against #1 Florida.

his line
Florida L 13-3 11 17 96 64.7 26 0 1 100.38

that's similar to what JL did against Tulane , except Tulane is Tulane and JJ didn't throw a pick 6.
JJ did not much to help the team win against FL.
JL single handedly lost the ALA game.

7-22 105 is shameful vs any team, but against LA Tech.


while we're at it. has JL ever produced anything as good as JJ's performance vs Washington? what about MSU? GT?
Posted by TIsuGGER
Member since Apr 2009
2321 posts
Posted on 9/8/10 at 10:59 pm to
quote:

But then again, JJ is known for not having a second half game

Ark 08, Ga Tech, Miss St, Ga, Fla, Ole Miss, UNC




7 of his 14 complete games, where he fails to move the team for the entire 2nd half? How do the coaches (ans a few fans) not see that as a serious issue?
Posted by RobbBobb
Member since Feb 2007
33359 posts
Posted on 9/12/10 at 12:15 am to
quote:

La Tech was easily the worst QB performance in modern day LSU history. Easily.

I think you jinxed JJ. We have a new worst, dont you think?

JJ 8/20 96 0 TDs 1 int (70.32)
JL 7/22 105 1 TDs 0 int (86.91)
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