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re: Jay Bilas: "I'd say it (LSU) is one of the top 20 jobs in college basketball"
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:54 pm to Poodlebrain
Posted on 3/5/14 at 2:54 pm to Poodlebrain
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Brady was horrible as a manager of the program. He was an able coach when he had decent players, but he was not able to fill a roster with decent players on a consistent basis. He had a tendency to recruit players who lacked athleticism, and his teams frequently looked overmatched.
I'd love to hear this list. This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 2:55 pm
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Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:05 pm to saintsfan22
quote:sounds like we need Brady as the floor coach and jones and the recruiting coach.
Brady was horrible as a manager of the program. He was an able coach when he had decent players, but he was not able to fill a roster with decent players on a consistent basis. He had a tendency to recruit players who lacked athleticism, and his teams frequently looked overmatched.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:17 pm to Poodlebrain
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Brady was horrible as a manager of the program. He was an able coach when he had decent players, but he was not able to fill a roster with decent players on a consistent basis. He had a tendency to recruit players who lacked athleticism, and his teams frequently looked overmatched. In hindsight, it looks like he got lucky twice in finding enough athletic players who were willing to come to LSU. And that just wasn't good enough
You do realize he spent the first half of his tenure dealing with NCAA probation and its effect on the perception of the program, the limitations on official visits and scholarships.
The biggest cause of the lack of consistency was the early departures of Stromile Swift, Brandon Bass and Tyrus Thomas to the NBA. Due to NCAA sanctions the program was not strong enough to lose that level of talent.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 3:46 pm to tigersbb
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You do realize he spent the first half of his tenure dealing with NCAA probation
This is absolute bullshite. The first few years ok, but anything after the stromile/jabari year was on him, even though he used that excuse the whole time he was here.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 5:06 pm to T
I've never really understood the brutal hatred for the guy either. And anytime you bring it up, you get eviscerated here. I mean, I remember his firing and remember thinking it was a little too soon. And then I remember the ESPN's of the world reacting pretty shocked that they'd fire him less than 2 seasons from a Final Four. Either way, it happened. But anytime you ask why, TD tears you a new a-hole...
BTW:
1997–1998 9–18(2–14) 6th (West)
1998–1999 12–15(4–12) 6th (West)
1999–2000 28–6(12–4) 1st (West) NCAA Sweet 16
2000–2001 13–16(2–14) 6th (West)
2001–2002 19–15(6–10) T–4th (West) NIT 2nd Round
2002–2003 21–11(8–8) T–2nd (West) NCAA 1st Round
2003–2004 18–11(8–8) T–2nd (West) NIT 1st Round
2004–2005 20–10(12–4) T–1st (West) NCAA 1st Round
2005–2006 27–9(14–2) 1st (West) NCAA Final Four
2006–2007 17–15(5–11) 6th (West)
2007–2008 8–13 1–6
BTW:
1997–1998 9–18(2–14) 6th (West)
1998–1999 12–15(4–12) 6th (West)
1999–2000 28–6(12–4) 1st (West) NCAA Sweet 16
2000–2001 13–16(2–14) 6th (West)
2001–2002 19–15(6–10) T–4th (West) NIT 2nd Round
2002–2003 21–11(8–8) T–2nd (West) NCAA 1st Round
2003–2004 18–11(8–8) T–2nd (West) NIT 1st Round
2004–2005 20–10(12–4) T–1st (West) NCAA 1st Round
2005–2006 27–9(14–2) 1st (West) NCAA Final Four
2006–2007 17–15(5–11) 6th (West)
2007–2008 8–13 1–6
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:24 pm to T
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This is absolute bullshite. The first few years ok, but anything after the stromile/jabari year was on him, even though he used that excuse the whole time he was here.
I'm pretty sure Brady wasn't allowed a full allotment of scholarships till around 2003. Can't find a link but I am almost positive they went much further than Stromile.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 6:59 pm to The Cable Guy
Lsu was down to 12 scholarships the year after stromile, but there were no other penalties after that. For years after that though, anytime Brady needed an excuse, he made sure to let everyone know just how much probation affected the program and how it was still hurting the team.
This post was edited on 3/5/14 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:12 pm to T
Still, a myriad of tourney appearances, a sweet 16 and a Final Four in a 10 year span. Plus we're still trying to get close to touching his success. I'm not trying to make excuses, but Brady still casts a shadow. When you fire a coach less than 2 years from a FF, you know what kind of coaching talent you draw? Johnny Jones. Because that's about the best you're gonna get here for now.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:31 pm to Giantkiller
If the program were done right, LSU would/should be in the NCAA tourney darn near every year.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:42 pm to Giantkiller
I could be wrong but I always thought that Brady owed a good bit of his success to Collis Temple Sr. and the amount of talent that was in Baton Rouge-area High Schools. Without Temple (and others) steering that talent LSU way Brady would have had nothing.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 7:47 pm to johnnydrama
Perhaps. But JJ has the Collis Temple mojo too. So how long does he have to make it happen?
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:20 pm to Giantkiller
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Still, a myriad of tourney appearances, a sweet 16 and a Final Four in a 10 year span. Plus we're still trying to get close to touching his success. I'm not trying to make excuses, but Brady still casts a shadow. When you fire a coach less than 2 years from a FF, you know what kind of coaching talent you draw? Johnny Jones. Because that's about the best you're gonna get here for now.
The national media really ripped LSU for firing JB when they did. Most people understood his best two players Tasmin Mitchell (out for the season) and Chris Johnson (half the season) couldn't play cause of injuries. If these two would have played JB never gets fired that year. I remember Dick Vitale going off on national tv about firing him along with many other people. Either way it is what it is and he had a good run here, that looks pretty good at this point.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:33 pm to jr33
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The national media really ripped LSU for firing JB when they did.
Because they were not completely familiar with the fanbase opinion of Brady.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 8:38 pm to jr33
I was a big brady fan but when heleft it was really time for the change
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:29 pm to tigersbb
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The biggest cause of the lack of consistency was...
Brady!
LSU won the SEC and went to the Sweet Sixteen in Brady's third season. That dealing with probation stuff didn't bother LSU that year.
Brady was over .500 in the SEC only three times in eleven seasons. That's why he was fired and there was no good excuse for his failure in the SEC.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 9:39 pm to T
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This is absolute bullshite. The first few years ok, but anything after the stromile/jabari year was on him, even though he used that excuse the whole time he was here.
So you think just because the probation period ended everything reverted to normal. Wrong. The sanctions were over but the residual effect lasted for at least a couple of years.
Remember that Stromile ,Jabari, Lamont Roland , Beshara, Dupree, Toris and Temple were signed just before the NCAA lowered the boom. Then for three years the program was hampered by loss of official visits and were down 2 scholarships. It took a while to crawl out from the overlay. The program was not stable enough to tolerate Stomile's early NBA departure in 2000 or Lamont Roland's season ending injury in 2001. Recall they finished 2001 with only five scholarship players.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:19 pm to tigersbb
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So you think just because the probation period ended everything reverted to normal. Wrong.
When you have reduced scholarships then sign guys like juemichael young, tim bush, tony gipson, shawson johnson, etc you make the problem a whole lot worse than it would have been. And that is exactly what brady did. Get out of here with the lsu barely had any scholarship players nonsense. Brady recruited some poor character guys who barely even made it to the court and made probation a lot worse than it should have been.
Posted on 3/5/14 at 10:27 pm to T
JueMichael was bigtime recruit and LSU was in no position to turn him away.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 12:27 am to T
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en you have reduced scholarships then sign guys like juemichael young, tim bush, tony gipson, shawson johnson, etc you make the problem a whole lot worse than it would have been. And that is exactly what brady did. Get out of here with the lsu barely had any scholarship players nonsense. Brady recruited some poor character guys who barely even made it to the court and made probation a lot worse than it should
When your program is on probation and has gone through 7 losing seasons in 8 years prime recruits with stellar character are not beating down the purple and gold doors to play for LSU. Yes they might have been able to sign some choir boy gym rats but in order to be successful they had to take chances. More than anything it was the NBA defections and key injuries which held the program back.
Tim Bush was the top player in Louisiana but arrived overweight when he was banned from playing his senior year because his school was cited for a recruiting violation. He left when better players were signed.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 5:59 am to ipodking
quote:And this is the price of mediocrity. Years ago, when LSU decided to really "do" basketball, a couple of coaching hires made a big difference. Press Maravich (and his son Pete) were the builders on a foundation of rubble. Then came Dale Brown, and the LSU program really picked up. What LSU never found was the basketball equivalent of a Nick Saban to take us over the top. And so when Dale departed, and sanctions arrived along with Mr. Brady and his successors, LSU basketball began its slow sink back into mediocrity.
gymnastics team draws larger crowds than the basketball team.
This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 6:02 am
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