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Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:55 am to Will2nd
Kudos. Couldn't agree more doesnt it ever come a point were we are beating a dead horse a bit. #JLee4heisman
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:55 am to just me
JL is a passer, JJ is a hybrid runner/thrower...hard to compare the two.
This is now JL's team, like it or not!
This is now JL's team, like it or not!
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:59 am to GeauxTigers580307
quote:Agree.
Kudos. Couldn't agree more doesnt it ever come a point were we are beating a dead horse a bit. #JLee4heisman
This thread was not needed.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 10:59 am to just me
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just me
JL also shared time with Hatch the first two games of 2008, and missed the last two games. Compared to JJ playing all 14 games of 2009.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:00 am to Tigerpaul1969
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2008 revisionism
The main revisionism I see from 2008 is that it was all on the defense. That defense was number 32 in the country. Not great but not terrible. Lees FRESHMAN picks put us in a hole whether they went back for 6 or not because many put the d in terrible field position. There is no doubt. I emphasize freshman because as a freshman it is expected that you make mistakes improve and get better and I am sure he did. He has shown his potential and I am ready to see him in action.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:03 am to Tigerpaul1969
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In 2008, we scored 23.6% of our points in the fourth quarter.
I've broken this down before so you can check my post history to find it (it's from prior to last season.)
When you account for the periods of time when the game was within 14 points, 2008's offense was worse than 2009 (I never compared to 2010, so I don't know).
In 2008, we were losing by more than 14 points five times. That hasn't occurred once since then.
Just for an example, against UGA in 2008 we totaled 497 yards offense and 38 points (not too shabby.)
The problem is that we tallied 230 yards and 14 points in the 4th quarter after we were down by 21.
This same scenario played itself out against Florida and Troy.
Against Florida, when the game was within 14 points, we tallied 53 yards of offense and 1 TD.
When Florida was up by more than 2 scores, we tallied 268 yards of offense and 2 TDs.
Against Troy, when the game was within 14 points, we tallied 96 yards of offense and 3 TDs. When it was greater than 14 points, we tallied 244 yards and 3 TDs
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:04 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:So you're saying that Lee would have had more interceptions in 2008 if he had played more?
JL also shared time with Hatch the first two games of 2008, and missed the last two games. Compared to JJ playing all 14 games of 2009.
Mon Dieu!
How would more playing time affect his completion percentage?
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:21 am to just me
If you don't think this thread was needed, then stay out of it.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:26 am to Antonio Moss
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Against Troy, when the game was within 14 points, we tallied 96 yards of offense and 3 TDs. When it was greater than 14 points, we tallied 244 yards and 3 TDs
OK. Didn't we win that game? Weren't all of those yards and points needed for the win?
You're all actually making my point for me in this thread. The only point I was trying to make with this thread, that everyone seems to be taking as a personal affront to them, is that the offense became far more conservative for much of 2009/2010. Jarrett made a lot of mistakes because a lot was asked of him. Interceptions are not the sole fault of a quarterback. There are 10 other guys on the field, including an offensive line that needs to provide pass protection. He also wasn't calling the plays. To blame the entirety of the 2008 season on Jarrett Lee is completely moronic.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:31 am to just me
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How would more playing time affect his completion percentage?
It would affect passing yards, TDs, completions, etc.
This post was edited on 9/2/11 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:38 am to Tigerpaul1969
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You're all actually making my point for me in this thread.
I'm really not. Our 2008 was putrid. It just benefited from having a less than stellar defense and being able to play from behind a lot.
quote:
The only point I was trying to make with this thread, that everyone seems to be taking as a personal affront to them, is that the offense became far more conservative for much of 2009/2010.
It did. And with good results:
2007:
T.O. Margin - +20
2008:
T.O. Margin - (-)4
2009:
T.O. Margin - +4
2010:
T.O. Margin - +8
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Jarrett made a lot of mistakes because a lot was asked of him.
Agreed.
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Interceptions are not the sole fault of a quarterback. There are 10 other guys on the field, including an offensive line that needs to provide pass protection. He also wasn't calling the plays. To blame the entirety of the 2008 season on Jarrett Lee is completely moronic.
No one is blaming it all on Lee. If you would pay attention, I said that offense was putrid. I place much of the blame of Crowton.
That being said, it doesn't mean people get to go back a revise the 2008 season.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:39 am to Tigerpaul1969
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To blame the entirety of the 2008 season on Jarrett Lee is completely moronic.
indeed it is. but I don't think that many ppl have even attempted to do so.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:41 am to just me
Why can't you guys just stop whining about the past and agree to the fact that neither QB has lived up to their HS hype (for whatever reason). They have both had moments of brilliance, but overall they have failed.
The only difference is that Lee seems to still have a chance to write the ending of his tale, while Jefferson's may be over.
Please stop beating a dead horse.
The only difference is that Lee seems to still have a chance to write the ending of his tale, while Jefferson's may be over.
Please stop beating a dead horse.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:42 am to Tigerpaul1969
quote:If I do that, how can I show you the error of you ways. How can I show the board the error of your posts.
If you don't think this thread was needed, then stay out of it.
You can't really whine about revisionism while you are trying to be a revisionist.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:48 am to just me
So, then, I guess the thread WAS needed for something. Thank you for pointing out the error of your ways.
Posted on 9/2/11 at 11:57 am to Antonio Moss
or over the routes. One pick 6 against Bama seemed like it was directed at the safety playing center field
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