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re: Jarrett Lee (man-crush alert)
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:50 pm to inebr8ted tiger
Posted on 10/12/11 at 1:50 pm to inebr8ted tiger
quote:Jefferson has a good deep ball. He had 17 TD passes in 2009. (Lee has 8 through half of the season in 2011.) Jefferson's ability to throw the deep ball is not the problem.
I think the thing you guys are missing is the thing that JJ could never give the offense, except for 2 games, that was the threat of the deep ball.
Defenses can no longer stack the box to stop the run because JL will make them pay. That cannot be over valued.
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The problem was, more times than not, we didn't make them pay for stacking the LOS.
quote:Bingo!
Secondly, JJ only threw like 6 deep balls.
Lee had almost one-third of the passes in 2010, yet he only had 1 TD pass over five yards. Does Lee not have a good deep ball?
Crowton was not aggressive downfield in 2010. Crowton did not make defenses pay for stacking the LOS.
Long before the season started, Kragthorpe said that LSU would be far more aggressive downfield this year. LSU has been true to Krag's word.
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Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:00 pm to OBUDan
Let me help you a little, OBUDan - and I've always been in JLee's corner (and JJ's) because I realized he was doing his best. JLee is okay. He's experienced enough to recognize what the defenses are doing and he's calmed down enough to execute fairly well. His numbers seem to be very efficient but it's easy to efficient passing when your run game is dominating, your pass blocking is excellent, and your defense is so good that punting is quite acceptable. JLee is an adequate college starting QB. Great? Good? Very good? IDK
Let's just say he's good enough to take what an overpowering team is putting in front of him. And that's enough for this fan. Based on last year, I an certainly see how OBUDan drew his conclusions. But maybe it was Crowton.
Let's just say he's good enough to take what an overpowering team is putting in front of him. And that's enough for this fan. Based on last year, I an certainly see how OBUDan drew his conclusions. But maybe it was Crowton.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:06 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
If Lee every played a game like Jefferson did against Alabama, the rant would have a statue erected.
Just started reading, but this is my favorite quote so far.
Is the Lee statue going next to Shaqs?
And OBUDan.
Now your throw by throw breakdown of Lee's Oregon game makes a lot more sense.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:26 pm to Penrod
quote:
Let's just say he's good enough to take what an overpowering team is putting in front of him. And that's enough for this fan.
Agreed.
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Based on last year, I an certainly see how OBUDan drew his conclusions. But maybe it was Crowton.
Yeah, hindsight is 20/20. The new offense has helped both of our QBs tremendously.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:27 pm to TIsuGGER
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And OBUDan.
Now your throw by throw breakdown of Lee's Oregon game makes a lot more sense.
I guess you stopped reading.
I've been more than fair to Lee in this thread, post bump.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:33 pm to OBUDan
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That's really nothing to call home about. JJ was crucified for posting better numbers than that in 09.
No, the complaint for JJ in 2009 was the 35 sacks he took.
Not completely his fault, but it was a lot.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:36 pm to TheDoc
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No, the complaint for JJ in 2009 was the 35 sacks he took.
That was one of them.
But people were not happy with his passing either.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:39 pm to OBUDan
quote:
But people were not happy with his passing either.
The biggest shocker to me in 2009 was going to the games and seeing the WR's running free, but the QB hardly ever saw them.
He didn't trust his receivers in 2009, and he didn't want to throw interceptions so he ate the ball a ton.
He watched what happened to lee in 2008, so did the coaches. I think they coached him to not make mistakes instead of just playing his game.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:44 pm to TheDoc
I think it was all too much.
Lack of running game didn't help to give him any protection or a safety net.
Crowton having these complicated progressions and route trees was just too much.
This year, we dial back... less is more. Both QBs are usually working with 1, 2 reads, 2, 3 routes. Read it, if it's not there, chuck it away. Read it, if the first guy isn't there, throw to the safety valve underneath.
Simplicity.
Lack of running game didn't help to give him any protection or a safety net.
Crowton having these complicated progressions and route trees was just too much.
This year, we dial back... less is more. Both QBs are usually working with 1, 2 reads, 2, 3 routes. Read it, if it's not there, chuck it away. Read it, if the first guy isn't there, throw to the safety valve underneath.
Simplicity.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:45 pm to OBUDan
quote:
I guess you stopped reading.
I've been more than fair to Lee in this thread, post bump.
I guess you missed my point.
You said Lee wasn't any good, before we saw him this year. So you had to prove after his 1st game, how right you were. Throw-by-throw. And sure, you've been more than fair, at this point. Lee's play has left you no wiggle room in that area.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:51 pm to NaturalBeam
LOL he is better than some playing in the NFL now
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:52 pm to TIsuGGER
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You said Lee wasn't any good, before we saw him this year.
He wasn't any good before this year. So what I said was true, right?
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So you had to prove after his 1st game, how right you were. Throw by throw.
Not really. Knowing everything I know now, Lee still did not play well vs. Oregon. What he accomplishes after the fact will never change that.
I, like many LSU fans, like to re-watch the games. As a hobby, I like to try and break down the tape and write about what I see. Studying Lee's throws was a by-product of that plus other arguments where people alleged his every throw was on the money.
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And sure, you've been more than fair, at this point. Lee's play has left you no wiggle room in that area.
I already acknowledged that me saying he's "no good" was wrong.
I still don't think he, or Jefferson, are very good players.
But Lee is doing what we ask and not turning the ball over and that's all this team needs.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:53 pm to OBUDan
Lee is enough, as a QB.
Lee is awesome, as a human being.
Lee is awesome, as a human being.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:55 pm to Roaad
Yeah, that's pretty much been my tune since week 3.
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:56 pm to clamdip
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I don't care what y'all haters say, I think we will need this guy (again) at some point in 2011.
At some point? What?! We need him in every game. Have you been watching brah?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:57 pm to OBUDan
quote:
No
No agenda OBUDan should be your name.
Where the screenshots?
This post was edited on 10/12/11 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:58 pm to LaBornNRaised
ok?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:58 pm to 2007lsuno1
quote:Check the date of the post, brah
At some point? What?! We need him in every game. Have you been watching brah?
Posted on 10/12/11 at 2:59 pm to Roaad
quote:I think he's a little more than just "enough".
Lee is enough, as a QB.
However, the offense has looked so much different this season... and you don't even need to look at the plays. Just look at the pre-snap action.
The main difference is the packages and formations. Last year, on three consecutive plays, we would be in I-formation, then 5-wide, then basic spread formation.
Each play, we would sub in 3-5 guys... We would line up with about 7-10 seconds left on the play clock. The plays were rushed... the players were rushed... and we lacked consistency.
This season, we have a much smaller arsenal of formations and packages, but we do many things out of the formations. We're successful in this way. The players are comfortable, the play gets in early and we're lined up with about 15-18 seconds left on the clock... this gives us more time to read the defense and we can choose to run the clock down or snap early. We didn't have that freedom the past few years.
If you don't even look at the play, and you only pay attention to the pre-snap, you will notice a huge difference from the offense we saw last season. JL is playing really good football. JJ is also playing really good. I'm so excited about this football team from top to bottom. And it all starts before the snap... Thank you, Krags!
Posted on 10/12/11 at 3:01 pm to Wideman
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This season, we have a much smaller arsenal of formations and packages, but we do many things out of the formations. We're successful in this way. The players are comfortable, the play gets in early and we're lined up with about 15-18 seconds left on the clock... this gives us more time to read the defense and we can choose to run the clock down or snap early. We didn't have that freedom the past few years.
That's all Steve Kragthorpe baby!
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