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re: It's time for Johnny Jones to take a long look in the mirror
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:47 pm to adamb2151
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:47 pm to adamb2151
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Team is not that talented.
We have no depth, but we are talented. I don't think it was JJ's coaching that had UK up against the ropes late in the game. It was our talent. We have two of the top 5 scorers and the 2nd and 3rd leading rebounders along with the #1 shot blocker in the SEC in our starting lineup. Martin and Mickey could end up being NBA guys, TQ is a tall guy that can hit 3s, Hornsby is fast and can light up teams from 3-point range, Gray was the highest scorer coming out of JUCO and Patterson is an extremely promising looking freshman that also drains 3s. We may be missing a true center, but we have talent.
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Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:47 pm to JaxTiger10
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We dont have good/ great guard play. CBB has become a guard driven league. The NCAA championship is usually determined by which program's guards are playing the best.
This is a myth
UK was a couple possessions from a national title last year with two mediocre true freshmen guards starting for them.
This post was edited on 2/17/15 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:48 pm to thunderbird1100
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Quarterman will be an NBA pick
Umm MAYBE in 2 1/2 years...maybe...maybe. And that's only if his shot gets way better.
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Martin and Mickey will both be NBA picks
If they both leave this year 1 may go in the 2nd round and that's Mickey. Martin is averaging 12.6 PPG in the SEC and plays one of the highest minutes in the league. Not exactly balling.
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Mickey simply took the damn game off. Martin is the most frustratingly inconsistent player I've seen come through LSU in recent times. If we had better coaching maybe we wouldnt see such inconsistency.
So Mickey takes the game off, is having Bridgewater play over Mickey REALLY what you want? Honest question, how does Jones motivate Mickey in this scenario or what should he do? Martin has played more bad games than good games in the SEC. He doesn't have to be held accountable because there is no bench. That's probably why he won't stay either because if he plays like a pussy half the time then he won't be on the floor next year.
Maybe we are young and still growing? We lose only Odo from this team. We don't have a natural leader because everybody is so new. We have 3 top 100 players on our team. I understand that is good, but it's not like we're loaded like UK. For each top 100 player we have a 6'4 PF, a 6'8 project wingman, and a 7' Aussie center...all of whom play.
We overrate the talent so much that they just expect to leave. There is no reason Martin should even consider or think about leaving. It's actually laughable. Mickey has balled for the most part, but he got abused tonight. Not only did he have an "off" game, but House just took it to him in the post, just like he did in BR.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:51 pm to LSUButt
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He doesn't have to be held accountable because there is no bench.
We are sitting with 11 scholarships this year. 13 are allowed. Robinson is years away. Bridgewater is a 6'4" power forward. We aren't on probation, Jones could have filled a bench
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:53 pm to LSUButt
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We overrate the talent so much that they just expect to leave.
I'm glad someone went ahead and said it. mickey is just one of those guys Billy Donovan would convince to play 3-4 years at Florida. it's painfully obvious neither are ready for the NBA, but someone will take the chance at coaching up a 6'11" 5 who can move, albeit his hands suck
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:55 pm to thunderbird1100
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UK was a couple possessions from a national title last year with two mediocre true freshmen guards starting for them.
Who were top 5 players coming out. You also left out the part that Andrew averaged 11 pts and 5 asts for the tourney and Aaron averaged 13 points for the tourney. Their starting backcourt averaged 24 per game, then James Young also averaged 13.1. So their backcourt of Young and Harrison twins averaged 37 points per game in the tourney...however that apparently is not very good.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:56 pm to LSUButt
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Quarterman will be an NBA pick
Umm MAYBE in 2 1/2 years...maybe...maybe. And that's only if his shot gets way better.
I didnt say this year, he's not ready...but the talent is obviously there, and at 6'6 and being a PG, NBA teams will drool over him.
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f they both leave this year 1 may go in the 2nd round and that's Mickey. Martin is averaging 12.6 PPG in the SEC and plays one of the highest minutes in the league. Not exactly balling.
Martin and Mickey are both 1st rounders on some sites I've seen. I'm not saying they will or wont be 1st rounders, but the fact is CLEARLY they are NBA talented if they are constantly put on mock drafts as sophomores. The ceiling is very high for Martin, and Mickey, outside of tonight, simply balls out despite his true lack of size.
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So Mickey takes the game off, is having Bridgewater play over Mickey REALLY what you want?
Is that what I said? No, I didn't say that at all. I simply stated a fact, Mickey's head wasn't in tonight's game at all.
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Martin has played more bad games than good games in the SEC
Martin has a severe motivation problem. The dude looks like a Lottery pick when he plays NBA bigs against UK then plays like a 6'10 pussy when he's going up against nobodies. Someone has got to motivate/coach this guy up because his talent is unreal good. He's more talented than Mickey but simply isnt consistent at all. I've said it before, at least Mickey, outside of tonight, brings it every game just about. Martin disappears way too often for being 6'10, 240 and a having a high level of athletic ability.
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Maybe we are young
We arent going to really get much older, guys will eave early. Next year is our best bet and that's only assuming we can hold onto Mickey or Martin or else the "young" excuse train will be rolling strong once again.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:57 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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We are sitting with 11 scholarships this year. 13 are allowed. Robinson is years away. Bridgewater is a 6'4" power forward. We aren't on probation, Jones could have filled a bench
We need to hit the transfers market and snag a fifth year senior. it feels like the staff went "all or nothing" for Elijah Thomas.
but yes, Jones deserves some heat for not building any depth in the post. Epps, Robinson, and Malone are all projects. Bridgewater just has a ridiculously low ceiling being a 6'4" post player. my God 6'5" female centers are now the norm in women's basketball.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:58 pm to LSUButt
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Who were top 5 players coming out.
Who cares what their recruiting rankings were? The Harrison twins were massively overrated coming out. They've seen themselves go from projected lottery picks to only 1 of them being drafted (in the 2nd round).
They were mediocre players last year (Andrew for sure), so not sure why guard play is sooooo pivotal.
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Andrew averaged 11 pts and 5 asts for the tourney and Aaron averaged 13 points for the tourney
IS that supposed to be impressive? Quarterman and Hornsby average that.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 10:58 pm to Lloyd Christmas
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We are sitting with 11 scholarships this year. 13 are allowed. Robinson is years away. Bridgewater is a 6'4" power forward. We aren't on probation, Jones could have filled a bench
Wow, because it's just THAT easy. It's just that easy to get high quality recruits who can play significant minutes. Trent Johnson didn't recruit Rico Gathers from 45 minutes away. Rico liked CJJ but it was too late in the process so he couldn't get him. Damian Jones wanted to go to Vandy and didn't think he would play with Martin and Mickey. And he tried his dick off to get Craig Victor. Victor wanted to go be a badass out west, realized his mistake and is coming back, but that doesn't help this year. Considering the complete overhaul on the team, he's done a pretty great job recruiting. Elbert was a top 70 player, I'm sure CJJ wasn't expecting him to be a complete project when he took him on.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:00 pm to LSUButt
Also, Deng Deng not qualifying ended up hurting us much more than I initially thought it would. I had really high hopes for Odo when he got to LSU, but damn he's pretty bad
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:02 pm to tigerbait2010
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Also, Deng Deng not qualifying ended up hurting us much more than I initially thought it would. I had really high hopes for Odo when he got to LSU, but damn he's pretty bad
The Malone project has been pretty bad too.
It's like we either get almost NBA type talent or bust with Jones. Obviously a few solid players like Hornsby/Patterson.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:06 pm to thunderbird1100
Mediocre in the season maybe, but they were PIVOTAL in bringing them to the NC. You're crazy if you think scoring 37 from your starting backcourt in the tourney isn't great, especially for such a front court heavy team.
And yes it is impressive, because those totals are in the tournament against the best teams in the country. You're not taking Weber state, Gardner-Webb, UAB into account.
And to give you just one more idea, in the 5 games they won in the tourney, Aaron Harrison shot 56% for 3's. He was 14/25. I guess that's mediocre as well. James Young also shot 44% for 3 in the 5 games they won.
It's one thing to score when you 13 while taking 13 shots, it's another to score 13 while taking 9 shots like they were taking in the tourney. So that's why numbers don't tell you everything.
And yes it is impressive, because those totals are in the tournament against the best teams in the country. You're not taking Weber state, Gardner-Webb, UAB into account.
And to give you just one more idea, in the 5 games they won in the tourney, Aaron Harrison shot 56% for 3's. He was 14/25. I guess that's mediocre as well. James Young also shot 44% for 3 in the 5 games they won.
It's one thing to score when you 13 while taking 13 shots, it's another to score 13 while taking 9 shots like they were taking in the tourney. So that's why numbers don't tell you everything.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:11 pm to LSUButt
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Mediocre in the season maybe, but they were PIVOTAL in bringing them to the NC. You're crazy if you think scoring 37 from your starting backcourt in the tourney isn't great, especially for such a front court heavy team.
UK's bread and butter is their forwards, THAT'S why they were dancing and dancing so late. The twins wer enothing special.
All you ever hear about is guard play being so important in the NCAA but 2 completely inexperienced freshman guards got a team to the NCG and nearly won it. Neither was spectacular in the torunament, they improved slightly from the regular season but it's not like either were all-stars you keep hearing you need at the guard spots.
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And yes it is impressive, because those totals are in the tournament against the best teams in the country. You're not taking Weber state, Gardner-Webb, UAB into account.
Plenty of teams had guards who averaged around 10 points a game in the NCAAT, it's nothing special.
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James Young also shot 44% for 3 in the 5 games they won.
I've been talking about the twins, not Young.
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It's one thing to score when you 13 while taking 13 shots, it's another to score 13 while taking 9 shots like they were taking in the tourney.
13 points on 9 shots? That isnt good.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:11 pm to thunderbird1100
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This is a myth
bullshite. you need good guard play to make it to the Final Four. Of course there are outliers, but teams with good/ great guard play usually advance to the 2nd weekend.
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UK was a couple possessions from a national title last year with two mediocre true freshmen guards starting for them.
really? Well yeah if your team is full with lottery pics that dont even start.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:13 pm to thunderbird1100
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The people trying to downplay that talent is laughable, they are very skilled players
We have 1 player that will make an all sec team.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:15 pm to Slapouttiger
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All those players you lusted will never be NBA players. Dream on.
Exactly. Mickey is the only one that may make an nba roster and thats a stretch because of his size. He isnt quick enough to guard nba 3s and isnt big enough for nba 4s.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:15 pm to tigerbait2010
quote:You are a complete idiot to think that such a big guy as Robinson wouldn't get a handful of minutes off of Kentucky's bench. He is an incredibly talented player and Calipari would get him as much time as he could spare.
bullshite
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:17 pm to thunderbird1100
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All you ever hear about is guard play being so important in the NCAA but 2 completely inexperienced freshman guards got a team to the NCG and nearly won it. Neither was spectacular in the torunament, they improved slightly from the regular season but it's not like either were all-stars you keep hearing you need at the guard spots.
Again, if you have lottery pics on your bench, then yeah ,good guard play isnt a must.
Posted on 2/17/15 at 11:19 pm to JaxTiger10
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We have 1 player that will make an all sec team.
Because UK is loaded with talent. Doesnt mean Martin and Quarterman arent very good, skilled players.
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