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re: Is Tyron Johnson the fastest on the team? Punt and Kickoff returns?
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:02 pm to IsaacBrown2
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:02 pm to IsaacBrown2
I get your point. But you're still wrong. 4.52 is fast
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Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:04 pm to Lester Earl
Hahahaha. Ok.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:04 pm to TigerFan244
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Not sure if Tre White of LF7 are the best to do that this year.
They are.
And Guice / Donte Jackson will be back there with LF.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:07 pm to IsaacBrown2
If he drops 3 tenths from that time to 4.49, then he he fast all of a sudden? How does that work
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:13 pm to Lester Earl
Just like if you are 6'0 vs 5'11 you are "prototype" size for an NFL WR all of a sudden. That is one inch. So you tell me? I don't make these rules man. Lol
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:22 pm to dukke v
Right on. Game speed is a different animal all together. Lots of punt returning is anticipation more then anything else. Lots of guys come close to breaking the big run but the great ones do it consistently.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 2:36 pm to IsaacBrown2
well there are certain thresholds, but they don't change that fast. 5'11 & 6' not much different.
But 5'9" & 5'11" is a big gap. Just like on the lower end 40 times for a WR. A 4.75 might not be able to even play in the nfl. But a 4.65 has a shot. Even tho that's only a tenth of a second, it's a big deal because it's borderline.
However a 6'2" guy compared to a 6'4" not much different. If you're tall, you're tall. If you're fast, you're fast. Like if you run a 4.35, you're going to run by people similarly to if you ran a 4.45
That 4.52 is still on that borderline of elite speed.
But 5'9" & 5'11" is a big gap. Just like on the lower end 40 times for a WR. A 4.75 might not be able to even play in the nfl. But a 4.65 has a shot. Even tho that's only a tenth of a second, it's a big deal because it's borderline.
However a 6'2" guy compared to a 6'4" not much different. If you're tall, you're tall. If you're fast, you're fast. Like if you run a 4.35, you're going to run by people similarly to if you ran a 4.45
That 4.52 is still on that borderline of elite speed.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:11 pm to Lester Earl
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also makes him more than "not very fast".
read what i responded to. Its not that hard
He said he had good speed... Don't be a dick
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That 4.52 is still on that borderline of elite speed
Crazy, I've never heard colston described that way. He has good speed
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:29 pm to TigerBait1127
"TJ is not very fast. He has good speed but not considered fast. "
Colston was a pretty freaky athlete for his size.
What do you consider Antonio Brown? Jordy Nelson? Randall Cobb?
I never see these guys get caught from behind. Yet Im being a dick because someone would consider them not fast? lol, ok guy.
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Crazy, I've never heard colston described that way. He has good speed
Colston was a pretty freaky athlete for his size.
What do you consider Antonio Brown? Jordy Nelson? Randall Cobb?
I never see these guys get caught from behind. Yet Im being a dick because someone would consider them not fast? lol, ok guy.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:32 pm to Lester Earl
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Yet Im being a dick because someone would consider them not fast? lol, ok guy.
No, you were being a dick for this:
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read what i responded to. Its not that hard
Really couldn't comprehend that?
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Colston was a pretty freaky athlete for his size.
Duh, but it has always been labelled as good speed for his size. I'd consider anything from 4.5-4.6 for a WR to be good speed depending on size. Wouldn't consider it elite. Long strides matter too
When I think of very fast WR's, I think of Odell, Devery Henderson, Cooks, Meachem, DeSean Jackson, Percy Harvin
That is elite speed
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:42 pm to Lester Earl
Mr Earl...You do realize those guys you mention ran 4.4s right? Lol
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:42 pm to TigerBait1127
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No, you were being a dick for this:
When someone tries to argue over something i didnt say, it's frustrating.
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uh, but it has always been labelled as good speed for his size. I'd consider anything from 4.5-4.6 for a WR to be good speed depending on size. Wouldn't consider it elite. Long strides matter too
I didnt say it was elite, but borderline elite. It's right there. It's why Jordy Nelson and Antonio Brown don't get caught from behind.
Some players play faster too. And Id agree, long strides can be deceiving. Colston has always maintained a nice YPC, and run after catch ability. His speed is very deceiving. He's a big guy so he doesnt look as fast as some of the smaller guys that are just as fast on paper.
Like I think most people would think Antonio Brown and Nelson are 4.4 guys.
Brown ran a 4.57 at the combine
Nelson a 4.51
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:43 pm to IsaacBrown2
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Mr Earl...You do realize those guys you mention ran 4.4s right? Lol
no, you just think they did cause you have no clue what you're talking about.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:46 pm to TigerBait1127
Pretty sure Jordan Jefferson ran a 4.55 at his combine. No one ever really thought of him as a blazer, but he was likely deceptively fast in terms of straight-line speed.
There is obviously a bell curve for speed, and I wouldn't call 4.52 "elite" speed per se for an SEC WR or CB. Where you start getting into "elite" territory is hard to say due to lack of reliability of the data and the subjectivity from different positions or styles.
There is obviously a bell curve for speed, and I wouldn't call 4.52 "elite" speed per se for an SEC WR or CB. Where you start getting into "elite" territory is hard to say due to lack of reliability of the data and the subjectivity from different positions or styles.
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
btw, these are quotes from the saints scout that scouted Colston
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"To the average person, to anyone who’s not a professional athlete, if you naturally run a 4.55, or if you naturally run under a 4.6, you’re fast. If I can pull you out of bed, let you warm up, and you can run a 4.55, 4.57, 4.51, you’re a fast human being. If you’re a guy say that can run a 4.31, 4.22, whatever the outlandish times are, those are the guys who are rare. That’s Olympic. They can trade a football for an Olympic baton, and if, someone who’s 6-4 ½, 6-5, and 204-205, that’s moving pretty fast".
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“As a combine scout, in the spring, I would time 300 guys. Out of that 300, I would get maybe 25 guys who would run under a 4.6. That tells you right there the percentage of the natural population because, in the springtime, I was evaluating those guys before they went to the speed camps, the personal trainers, all they had was the trainers at their schools"
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“And then going back to the part about the overall natural speed, you see a guy who runs a 4.5 or lower, might have been five out of 100 in the grand scheme of things. That’s why the misconception about getting caught up in speed, the number on his card at the combine or his pro day doesn’t necessarily mean what he plays to. You can have a guy who runs a 4.6, and if I’m not mistaken, (49ers great) Jerry Rice might have run a 4.65, something like that, but he was never caught from behind and outran cornerbacks. You know, his game speed and his time speed sometimes is two different things. A guy like Colston, he’s a big guy, and you might think he’s slow and lumbering but he has the ability to get up on cornerbacks quickly and get open and catch the ball.”
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:51 pm to Lester Earl
No Earl, the difference between you a I is that I actually do know what I'm talking about. Your only frame of reference is the internet and "combine results".
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:54 pm to IsaacBrown2
Wtf. Johnson is fast enough to do whatever we need gdam you don't get rated that high being a turtle
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:54 pm to Lester Earl
Once again, great internet research.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:55 pm to IsaacBrown2
dude you went to fricking Tara. 
I went to a Catholic league school where 3 of the schools put out near double digit D-1 players my SR year. And another one had Marquise Hill.
Posted on 8/16/15 at 3:56 pm to DTRooster
Did you only read a couple posts? We have all said he was outstanding. Stop posting just to be apart of the discussion. He is a fantastic player, but I just would not call him fast.
This post was edited on 8/16/15 at 3:57 pm
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