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re: Is the QB position back open?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:27 pm to slackster
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:27 pm to slackster
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No one is ignoring Harris's struggles with 10 yard hitches, but I believe he was 2-2 on screens this year and has a few dump off passes too that had nice touch. His issue is he's ethier tossing it or its a lazer and not much in between. Surely we can acknowledge that Etling does those things well but has struggled to stretch the field for whatever reason.
Neither QB stretches the field. Harris is inaccurate and has no touch on the ball.
I like Harris, he's from my hometown and all but he's not seeing the field in 3d and I don't see that happening. If Etling isn't the answer, it's time to move on down the depth chart because Harris sure isn't the answer.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:30 pm to Salmon
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I'm just trying to think what O or Ensminger could do to get this offense going Maybe O can motivate him
They can start with letting their qb spread the field and give him 4 and 5 wide sets to throw to in running downs. They can also hand off in these same sets where 10 fricking people arnt in the box.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:32 pm to slackster
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but we're not a threat past 15 or so yards in the last few games.
So why is Etling's long on the year 46 and Harris's only 31?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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So why is Etling's long on the year 46 and Harris's only 31?
Because it was a 15-20 yard throw and Desean ran in untouched.
I don't care who is back there, but we have to instill some fear in safeties that we will attempt, and more importantly, complete deep passes.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:43 pm to slackster
well I see this is still going...
have we got anywhere? lnch admit he is wrong yet?
have we got anywhere? lnch admit he is wrong yet?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:44 pm to slackster
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Because it was a 15-20 yard throw and Desean ran in untouched.
TD to Chark was plenty long enough. He can make enough throws to be a competent college QB. He just has to hit them.
Harris has the best arm on the team, McMillan and Scott are in Etlings territory. Harris will never be a competent starter though. He's had too long to prove it and just can't do it.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Jeff Driskel was fried shriveled up crap for 3 full years under Muschamp. He then left UF, went to a competent QB coach, and put up great numbers and actually got the NFL to take a look at him.
Harris will never be a competent starter though. He's had too long to prove it and just can't do it.
Blake Simms sucks donkey balls as an actual QB. For 4 years, he was buried at Alabama and actually converted from QB. Then, a competent coach in Kiffin comes and he sets Bama passing records and goes to the playoffs.
I think some of yall are underestimating just how pathetic Les and Cam were at developing the offense and the QB position. Coaching is huge in college for a QB.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:48 pm to Salmon
Etling shits all over Harris when it comes to checking down other receivers and stepping into a pocket.
Actually, Etling shits all over Mettenberger when it comes to stepping into a pocket. That was the one thing Mett sucked at.
That buys a qb an extra 2-3 secs.
Actually, Etling shits all over Mettenberger when it comes to stepping into a pocket. That was the one thing Mett sucked at.
That buys a qb an extra 2-3 secs.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:49 pm to Salmon
As a fan of Etling, I was disappointed in the costly mistakes he made late in the Auburn game. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see Harris in a new offense.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:50 pm to slackster
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The only reason we couldn't kick a FG to win it was because of a crucial fumble
Not the only reason, there was also a missed field goal.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:51 pm to Salmon
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Maybe O can motivate him
How do you motivate someone to throw more accurately? If Harris hasn't managed to go through progressions by his Junior season...it isn't happening.
Have you noticed that with Etling, the running back is actually a potential receiver in the flats? Or the Tight End on 10 yd outs? Harris can't make those throws consistently. Don't get me wrong, I think he has the arm strength comparable to Russel and Mett. Harris just doesn't have accuracy or touch.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Neither QB stretches the field. Harris is inaccurate and has no touch on the ball.
Harris stretched the field last year. We were 38th in YPA (7.8 yds) and 7th in yards per completion (14.6).
This year we're 112th in YPA w/ 6.0 per and 107th in yards per catch @ 10.9 yards. Etling is averaging 6.3 YPA and 10.8 yards per catch. Who knows what offense we'll run now, but in our old scheme the passing game was designed to generate big chunks of yardage down field. Neither QB has done that this year, but Harris did it last year.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:54 pm to Salmon
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lnch admit he is wrong yet?
I'm wrong for thinking the better QB is better and should play?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 1:58 pm to slackster
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This kind of comment is why people wonder about how much race plays a role in all of this.
This is about the most politically correct way to say Brandon is dumb and then it is followed up with "we need a Mauck/Flynn/Mettenberger type of QB" while totally skipping over Jamarcus and failing to acknowledge that Jefferson in 2009 was the best year from an individual QB other than 2013 Mett since Jamarcus graduated - and that includes Flynn in 2007.
I'm not saying it is a racially motivated comment, but it definitely doesn't look good, does it?
I'm not too sure why you'd even remotely mention anything about race here. I don't care if Brandon was a cuban I'd be saying the same thing. If Brandon was a white kid I'd say the exact same thing. The point that the usual suspect race baiters are missing is that the starting LSU QB can be cat shite green, I don't care so long as he can think and process the game like the previous QB's I've mentioned. If you or anyone else chooses to bring race into this conversation than you're doing so on your own accord AND you're just looking to throw out the race card. But I guess (not really) that's what we have to deal with for now in this "PC" country the past several years.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:00 pm to ssgrice
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Not the only reason, there was also a missed field goal.
Fair enough, but a missed 51-yarder is more excusable than an untouched lost fumble on 2nd and 2 from the 32.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:03 pm to LNCHBOX
I guess he forgot about the passing Etling had last week against MSU. Some of these cats are just looking to play the oppressed/race card. I had someone reply to one of my previous post and mention something about race.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:03 pm to NimbleCat
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How do you motivate someone to throw more accurately? If Harris hasn't managed to go through progressions by his Junior season...it isn't happening.
Etling and Harris are 2 different quarterbacks. Etling is clearly more composed and has a higher football IQ in-game. Harris is more athletic, and perhaps with less pressure on his shoulders, he can relax and make wise choices with the ball in his hands. I think using them both and taking advantage of their strengths while avoiding weaknesses is not only logical, but probable. *At least until Orgeron says otherwise.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:05 pm to 31TIGERS
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If you or anyone else chooses to bring race into this conversation than you're doing so on your own accord AND you're just looking to throw out the race card.
I can't speak for others in the thread, but I was pointing out how there were better QBs who were suspiciously absent despite being as good or better QBs.
Regardless, I'll be the first to admit that I'm a bit sensitive to the subject because there sure-fire racially-motivated comments made about Harris and about the Jefferson/Lee ordeal in the past. When someone says we need a QB like Mauck/Flynn/Mett, at best it is a lazy comparison and at worst it is racist, which is why I asked for some clarity.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:06 pm to slackster
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at best it is a lazy comparison and at worst it is racist
Those are your only options? You are your own problem.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 2:09 pm to LNCHBOX
Dude, Mauck, Flynn, and Mett have nothing in common really besides being white
So the fact those three are grouped together alone is hilarious
Mauck threw 28 tds and 14 ints in 2003. He was slinging the rock.
Flynn in 2007 used his wheels and arm, while smartly managing the game
Mett was a damn statue with a rocket for an arm
So the fact those three are grouped together alone is hilarious
Mauck threw 28 tds and 14 ints in 2003. He was slinging the rock.
Flynn in 2007 used his wheels and arm, while smartly managing the game
Mett was a damn statue with a rocket for an arm
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