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Buckeye Jeaux
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Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
Thad Moss has made huge big-time plays and done it over in the biggest games of national importance.

Moss needs to be on the short-list for the John Mackey TE award. Nope. Moss ain't on it.

Here is the 2019 John Mackey Award watch list:

Devin Asiasi JR UCLA
John Bates JR Boise St
Jacob Breeland SR Oregon
Hunter Bryant JR Washington
Harrison Bryant SR FAU
Jake Burt SR Boston College
Matt Bushman JR BYU
Cameron Butler JR Colorado St
Grant Calcaterra JR Oklahoma
Octavious Cooley SR Ole Miss
Tyler Davis SR Georgia Tech
Josiah Deguara SR Cincinnati
Josh Falo JR USC
Luke Farrell JR Ohio St
Jake Ferguson SO Wisconsin
Miller Forristall JR Alabama
Cole Fotheringham SO Utah
Kyle Fourtenbary JR WKU
Pat Freiermuth SO Penn St
Jack Fruedenthal SR Wake Forest
Noah Gray JR Duke
Farrod Green SR Mississippi St
Jovani Haskins JR West Virginia
Andrew Homer JR Miami (OH)
Brycen Hopkins SR Purdue
Parker Houston SR San Diego St
Javonis Isaac JR Arkansas St
Brevin Jordan SO Miami
Dalton Keene JR Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet JR Notre Dame
Charlie Kolar SO Iowa St
Armani Levias SR Marshall
Isaiah Likely SO Coastal Carolina
Hunter Long SO Boston College
Johnny Lumpkin JR Louisiana
Tyler Mabry SR Maryland
Joey Magnifico SR Memphis
Trey McBride SO Colorado St
Sean McKeon SR Michigan
Tre McKitty JR Florida St
Cheyenne O’Grady SR Arkansas
Thomas Odukoya SR Eastern Michigan
Albert Okwuegbunam JR Missouri
Cade Otton SO Washington
Sterling Palmer SO FIU
Colby Parkinson JR Stanford
Jared Pinkney SR Vanderbilt
Collin Reed SR Appalachian St
Giovanni Ricci SR Western Michigan
Jared Rice SR Fresno St
Kelvin Smith SR North Texas
Jack Stoll JR Nebraska
Noah Togiai SR Oregon St
Carl Tucker SR North Carolina
Nate Wieting SR Iowa
Mitchell Wilcox SR USF
Charlie Woerner SR Georgia
Bryce Wolma JR Arizona
Dominick Wood-Anderson SR Tennessee
Kenny Yeboah JR Temp
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BornAndRaised_LA
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
The kid from Washington has 41 receptions for 647 yards and 3 TDs.

Moss has 27, 292, 1.


Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
The kid from Washington is playing on a 6-4 team in a second-rate conference.

Moss is blocking like a beast and making key first down receptions during a championship run out of the SEC West.
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LSU1SLU
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
Stats matter for awards. We can’t win every award. This isn’t his year


Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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Stats matter for awards. We can’t win every award. This isn’t his year
That's your opinion.

My opinion is that Thad Moss is an elite TE. And members of the Mackey committee may be able to look past receiving stats alone... (at least you would hope so)

And in judging TE's, the MOST important skill is aggressive and effective blocking. Good hands is a strong plus, but NOT the most important.

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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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That's your opinion.



It’s not an opinion, of course stats matter for these awards.


quote:

My opinion is that Thad Moss is an elite TE



I don’t think anyone would disagree with you. He is an elite player, and one of the most well rounded at his position for sure, that will likely be one of the best at his position at the next level as well.


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And in judging TE's, the MOST important skill is aggressive and effective blocking. Good hands is a strong plus, but NOT the most important.


Now there is an opinion. Not even disagreeing with you, but it is an opinion

But have you watched enough of Penn State, Purdue, SMU, Washington, etc to know whether or not those TEs, which have much better numbers, are not also aggressive and effective in their blocking?


Pitts from Florida is having an outstanding season, and Granson from SMU, who is 9-1 btw, is having one of the best seasons for a TE I can ever remember.

There are more than a dozen other guys that are having better statistical seasons than Thad, and I’d bet their fans and coaches would sing their praises on their blocking just like you are.


Here are the numbers for tight ends in the country. Thad is #19 in yards, 21 in receptions, isn’t on the first page with only one touchdown, and most surprisingly to me isn’t even in the top 38 in ypc of those on the first page of reception leaders. I thought he’d be higher there.


LINK


Now I’ll say this, none of those guys have three outstanding NFL receivers that are taking targets and production from them, but being a bigger part of their team’s offense is just another argument for why they are probably higher on the watch list.


All that said, Thad is a beast and we will miss him when he’s gone



Now take your well deserved victory lap for banging the drum all offseason on Burrow being a top 5 QB in the draft!! Dude is going to be top 5 overall if not #1

I’ve been as big a Burrow supporter as anyone since Day 1 and even I thought you were overestimating what his NFL draft stock would be.

The dude is Tom Brady 2.0 but can run. Incredible what we have been able to watch him do for our program the past two seasons, and I only wish there was a way to get him to New Orleans so we could continue to be so lucky.

He will go down as the greatest Tiger in history, and just like much of Ohio adopted LSU in his honor, I know there will be a lot of LA folks cheering for the Bengals when he goes home to fix another franchise that could use his help


Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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Now there is an opinion. Not even disagreeing with you, but it is an opinion


1) TEs with the VERY MOST targets will average 5 per game, and catch 4.
2) The average number of O plays in a game is about 70
3) Thus, a TE is blocking on 90%-plus of his plays - around 60 to 65 or so plays per game

Sportswriters may look at reception stats first (and may be the ONLY stat they look at). But people who know the game want to know how many of those 60+ hard-nosed battles a TE is winning every game... against LBs, DEs, DTs and Safeties. Moss has been a beast in these battles.

AND he's been sure-handed as his dad when the ball comes his way. AND he has a 6th sense about being "findable" when his QB needs an outlet.

Thad Moss is my pick for the John Mackey. And THAT is my opinion.
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kylesch87
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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1) TEs with the VERY MOST targets will average 5 per game, and catch 4.
2) The average number of O plays in a game is about 70
3) Thus, a TE is blocking on 90%-plus of his plays - around 60 to 65 or so plays per game


Umm, no. You can't say a TE is blocking on every play where he doesn't get a catch. Plenty of times he is running a route and just doesn't get the ball.

Also, while a great blocking tight end is certainly a plus, you can look at the NFL draft to see what pro teams value. When was the last time a blocking-specialist tight end went in the first round?


Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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Also, while a great blocking tight end is certainly a plus, you can look at the NFL draft to see what pro teams value. When was the last time a blocking-specialist tight end went in the first round?

Dude... Moss can catch with ANY TE in college football. He's not ONLY a blocking specialist. He is a great route-runner with great hands.

Notice at the look on Burrow's face when he realizes that Moss snagged that toe-tapper at Bama (link below)

And A TE is going to have a blocking assignment even on plays that he has an assigned route. Sheesh

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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?

Tiger Voodoo...


Are you SERIOUSLY saying that Thad Moss DOES NOT belong on the John Mackey Award watch list?????

Here is the 2019 John Mackey Award watch list:

Devin Asiasi JR UCLA
John Bates JR Boise St
Jacob Breeland SR Oregon
Hunter Bryant JR Washington
Harrison Bryant SR FAU
Jake Burt SR Boston College
Matt Bushman JR BYU
Cameron Butler JR Colorado St
Grant Calcaterra JR Oklahoma
Octavious Cooley SR Ole Miss
Tyler Davis SR Georgia Tech
Josiah Deguara SR Cincinnati
Josh Falo JR USC
Luke Farrell JR Ohio St
Jake Ferguson SO Wisconsin
Miller Forristall JR Alabama
Cole Fotheringham SO Utah
Kyle Fourtenbary JR WKU
Pat Freiermuth SO Penn St
Jack Fruedenthal SR Wake Forest
Noah Gray JR Duke
Farrod Green SR Mississippi St
Jovani Haskins JR West Virginia
Andrew Homer JR Miami (OH)
Brycen Hopkins SR Purdue
Parker Houston SR San Diego St
Javonis Isaac JR Arkansas St
Brevin Jordan SO Miami
Dalton Keene JR Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet JR Notre Dame
Charlie Kolar SO Iowa St
Armani Levias SR Marshall
Isaiah Likely SO Coastal Carolina
Hunter Long SO Boston College
Johnny Lumpkin JR Louisiana
Tyler Mabry SR Maryland
Joey Magnifico SR Memphis
Trey McBride SO Colorado St
Sean McKeon SR Michigan
Tre McKitty JR Florida St
Cheyenne O’Grady SR Arkansas
Thomas Odukoya SR Eastern Michigan
Albert Okwuegbunam JR Missouri
Cade Otton SO Washington
Sterling Palmer SO FIU
Colby Parkinson JR Stanford
Jared Pinkney SR Vanderbilt
Collin Reed SR Appalachian St
Giovanni Ricci SR Western Michigan
Jared Rice SR Fresno St
Kelvin Smith SR North Texas
Jack Stoll JR Nebraska
Noah Togiai SR Oregon St
Carl Tucker SR North Carolina
Nate Wieting SR Iowa
Mitchell Wilcox SR USF
Charlie Woerner SR Georgia
Bryce Wolma JR Arizona
Dominick Wood-Anderson SR Tennessee
Kenny Yeboah JR Temp

C'mon man
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SportTiger1
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
I've enjoyed moss' performance, but how does his stats match up to other big time TEs?

Or better put, who usually wins this specific award?
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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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I've enjoyed moss' performance, but how does his stats match up to other big time TEs?

SportTiger1...
Read the OP. I said Moss belongs on the Watch List. Are you ALSO seriously claiming Moss doesn't belong on this list? LOL???

Here's the John Mackey Award list again (in case you missed it above):

Devin Asiasi JR UCLA
John Bates JR Boise St
Jacob Breeland SR Oregon
Hunter Bryant JR Washington
Harrison Bryant SR FAU
Jake Burt SR Boston College
Matt Bushman JR BYU
Cameron Butler JR Colorado St
Grant Calcaterra JR Oklahoma
Octavious Cooley SR Ole Miss
Tyler Davis SR Georgia Tech
Josiah Deguara SR Cincinnati
Josh Falo JR USC
Luke Farrell JR Ohio St
Jake Ferguson SO Wisconsin
Miller Forristall JR Alabama
Cole Fotheringham SO Utah
Kyle Fourtenbary JR WKU
Pat Freiermuth SO Penn St
Jack Fruedenthal SR Wake Forest
Noah Gray JR Duke
Farrod Green SR Mississippi St
Jovani Haskins JR West Virginia
Andrew Homer JR Miami (OH)
Brycen Hopkins SR Purdue
Parker Houston SR San Diego St
Javonis Isaac JR Arkansas St
Brevin Jordan SO Miami
Dalton Keene JR Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet JR Notre Dame
Charlie Kolar SO Iowa St
Armani Levias SR Marshall
Isaiah Likely SO Coastal Carolina
Hunter Long SO Boston College
Johnny Lumpkin JR Louisiana
Tyler Mabry SR Maryland
Joey Magnifico SR Memphis
Trey McBride SO Colorado St
Sean McKeon SR Michigan
Tre McKitty JR Florida St
Cheyenne O’Grady SR Arkansas
Thomas Odukoya SR Eastern Michigan
Albert Okwuegbunam JR Missouri
Cade Otton SO Washington
Sterling Palmer SO FIU
Colby Parkinson JR Stanford
Jared Pinkney SR Vanderbilt
Collin Reed SR Appalachian St
Giovanni Ricci SR Western Michigan
Jared Rice SR Fresno St
Kelvin Smith SR North Texas
Jack Stoll JR Nebraska
Noah Togiai SR Oregon St
Carl Tucker SR North Carolina
Nate Wieting SR Iowa
Mitchell Wilcox SR USF
Charlie Woerner SR Georgia
Bryce Wolma JR Arizona
Dominick Wood-Anderson SR Tennessee
Kenny Yeboah JR Temp
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SportTiger1
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
I'll be the very first to admit I don't pay attention to the Mackey award or what many of those TEs are doing.

I never said he shouldn't be on the list. I was asking what that award values? Stats, blocking, etc. No idea


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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
Tight ends that did NOT win Mackey award:

Rob gronkowski
George kittle
Evan engram
Zach Ertz
Vernon Davis
Travis kelcie
Greg Olsen
Jason witten
Jimmy graham

If I was Moss, I would rather add my name to that list than the award winners list.

Pretty sure those awards list are put together at the beginning of the year and trimmed down until they get to the finalists.

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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
Year Player School Summary
2018 T.J. Hockenson* Iowa 49 Rec, 760 Yds, 15.5 Avg, 6 TD
2017 Mark Andrews* Oklahoma 62 Rec, 958 Yds, 15.5 Avg, 8 TD
2016 Jake Butt* Michigan 46 Rec, 546 Yds, 11.9 Avg, 4 TD
2015 Hunter Henry* Arkansas 51 Rec, 739 Yds, 14.5 Avg, 3 TD
2014 Nick O'Leary* Florida State 48 Rec, 618 Yds, 12.9 Avg, 6 TD
2013 Austin Seferian-Jenkins* Washington 36 Rec, 450 Yds, 12.5 Avg, 8 TD
2012 Tyler Eifert* Notre Dame 50 Rec, 685 Yds, 13.7 Avg, 4 TD
2011 Dwayne Allen* Clemson 50 Rec, 598 Yds, 12.0 Avg, 8 TD
2010 D.J. Williams* Arkansas 54 Rec, 627 Yds, 11.6 Avg, 4 TD
2009 Aaron Hernandez* Florida 68 Rec, 850 Yds, 12.5 Avg, 5 TD
2008 Chase Coffman* Missouri 90 Rec, 987 Yds, 11.0 Avg, 10 TD
2007 Fred Davis* USC 62 Rec, 881 Yds, 14.2 Avg, 8 TD
2006 Matt Spaeth* Minnesota 47 Rec, 564 Yds, 12.0 Avg, 4 TD
2005 Marcedes Lewis* UCLA 58 Rec, 741 Yds, 12.8 Avg, 10 TD
2004 Heath Miller* Virginia 41 Rec, 541 Yds, 13.2 Avg, 5 TD
2003 Kellen Winslow* Miami (FL) 60 Rec, 605 Yds, 10.1 Avg, 1 TD
2002 Dallas Clark* Iowa 43 Rec, 742 Yds, 17.3 Avg, 4 TD
2001 Daniel Graham Colorado 51 Rec, 753 Yds, 14.8 Avg, 6 TD
2000 Tim Stratton* Purdue 58 Rec, 605 Yds, 10.4 Avg, 2 TD

Moss is an exceptional TE on this years LSU squad but he doesn’t come close to the stats of any former winners. Got to agree with the stats meaning more here unfortunately.
Only one winner had less than 500 yards but he had 8 TDS.
I love your support for the kid but it doesn’t look plausible, that’s my opinion.


ManBearTiger
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
We all thought Buckeye Jeaux was JB's dad... What if Randy is drunk and shitposting in support of Thad?


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Buckeye Jeaux
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
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I love your support for the kid but it doesn’t look plausible, that’s my opinion.
Again. Read my post. I say he belongs on the short list. Of course, stats weigh heavily in these awards. And I have no illusion that he'll win it (though he would certainly deserve it, IMO)

I can't count the huge plays he has made this season. The guy is a beast in everything a TE is supposed to do in a Spread/RPO.

And BTW, Moss will break 500 yards or be damn close this season - even with being out for 2 cupcake games.


deepdeltatiger
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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
Well I'm not sure any other te has made a better catch than the one Thaddeus had last weekend. Unbelievable catch, got his feet back in bounds and snagged that ball. All of our Tigers are playing at a very high level. I'm enjoying the ride and I'm sure this team is also. Let's finish it.


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re: Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?
This thread is proof that you basically just threw shite against the wall with your Joe Burrow hype and got lucky it panned out. You clearly don't understand how anything works


Buckeye Jeaux
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This thread is proof that you basically just threw shite against the wall with your Joe Burrow hype and got lucky it panned out. You clearly don't understand how anything works
Same kind of clueless comments you made when some of us said Joe Burrow is an elite QB a year+ ago.

You can't understand anything about football beyond after-the-fact stats. Piss off, twink.


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