Is Thad Moss on the John Mackey Award Watch List? If Not, Why Not?

The kid from Washington has 41 receptions for 647 yards and 3 TDs.

Moss has 27, 292, 1.

Stats matter for awards. We can’t win every award. This isn’t his year

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That's your opinion.

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It’s not an opinion, of course stats matter for these awards.

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My opinion is that Thad Moss is an elite TE

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I don’t think anyone would disagree with you. He is an elite player, and one of the most well rounded at his position for sure, that will likely be one of the best at his position at the next level as well.

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And in judging TE's, the MOST important skill is aggressive and effective blocking. Good hands is a strong plus, but NOT the most important.

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Now there is an opinion. Not even disagreeing with you, but it is an opinion

But have you watched enough of Penn State, Purdue, SMU, Washington, etc to know whether or not those TEs, which have much better numbers, are not also aggressive and effective in their blocking?


Pitts from Florida is having an outstanding season, and Granson from SMU, who is 9-1 btw, is having one of the best seasons for a TE I can ever remember.

There are more than a dozen other guys that are having better statistical seasons than Thad, and I’d bet their fans and coaches would sing their praises on their blocking just like you are.


Here are the numbers for tight ends in the country. Thad is #19 in yards, 21 in receptions, isn’t on the first page with only one touchdown, and most surprisingly to me isn’t even in the top 38 in ypc of those on the first page of reception leaders. I thought he’d be higher there.


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Now I’ll say this, none of those guys have three outstanding NFL receivers that are taking targets and production from them, but being a bigger part of their team’s offense is just another argument for why they are probably higher on the watch list.


All that said, Thad is a beast and we will miss him when he’s gone



Now take your well deserved victory lap for banging the drum all offseason on Burrow being a top 5 QB in the draft!! Dude is going to be top 5 overall if not #1

I’ve been as big a Burrow supporter as anyone since Day 1 and even I thought you were overestimating what his NFL draft stock would be.

The dude is Tom Brady 2.0 but can run. Incredible what we have been able to watch him do for our program the past two seasons, and I only wish there was a way to get him to New Orleans so we could continue to be so lucky.

He will go down as the greatest Tiger in history, and just like much of Ohio adopted LSU in his honor, I know there will be a lot of LA folks cheering for the Bengals when he goes home to fix another franchise that could use his help

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1) TEs with the VERY MOST targets will average 5 per game, and catch 4.
2) The average number of O plays in a game is about 70
3) Thus, a TE is blocking on 90%-plus of his plays - around 60 to 65 or so plays per game

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Umm, no. You can't say a TE is blocking on every play where he doesn't get a catch. Plenty of times he is running a route and just doesn't get the ball.

Also, while a great blocking tight end is certainly a plus, you can look at the NFL draft to see what pro teams value. When was the last time a blocking-specialist tight end went in the first round?

Tiger Voodoo...

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that Thad Moss DOES NOT belong on the John Mackey Award watch list?????

Here is the 2019 John Mackey Award watch list:

Devin Asiasi JR UCLA
John Bates JR Boise St
Jacob Breeland SR Oregon
Hunter Bryant JR Washington
Harrison Bryant SR FAU
Jake Burt SR Boston College
Matt Bushman JR BYU
Cameron Butler JR Colorado St
Grant Calcaterra JR Oklahoma
Octavious Cooley SR Ole Miss
Tyler Davis SR Georgia Tech
Josiah Deguara SR Cincinnati
Josh Falo JR USC
Luke Farrell JR Ohio St
Jake Ferguson SO Wisconsin
Miller Forristall JR Alabama
Cole Fotheringham SO Utah
Kyle Fourtenbary JR WKU
Pat Freiermuth SO Penn St
Jack Fruedenthal SR Wake Forest
Noah Gray JR Duke
Farrod Green SR Mississippi St
Jovani Haskins JR West Virginia
Andrew Homer JR Miami (OH)
Brycen Hopkins SR Purdue
Parker Houston SR San Diego St
Javonis Isaac JR Arkansas St
Brevin Jordan SO Miami
Dalton Keene JR Virginia Tech
Cole Kmet JR Notre Dame
Charlie Kolar SO Iowa St
Armani Levias SR Marshall
Isaiah Likely SO Coastal Carolina
Hunter Long SO Boston College
Johnny Lumpkin JR Louisiana
Tyler Mabry SR Maryland
Joey Magnifico SR Memphis
Trey McBride SO Colorado St
Sean McKeon SR Michigan
Tre McKitty JR Florida St
Cheyenne O’Grady SR Arkansas
Thomas Odukoya SR Eastern Michigan
Albert Okwuegbunam JR Missouri
Cade Otton SO Washington
Sterling Palmer SO FIU
Colby Parkinson JR Stanford
Jared Pinkney SR Vanderbilt
Collin Reed SR Appalachian St
Giovanni Ricci SR Western Michigan
Jared Rice SR Fresno St
Kelvin Smith SR North Texas
Jack Stoll JR Nebraska
Noah Togiai SR Oregon St
Carl Tucker SR North Carolina
Nate Wieting SR Iowa
Mitchell Wilcox SR USF
Charlie Woerner SR Georgia
Bryce Wolma JR Arizona
Dominick Wood-Anderson SR Tennessee
Kenny Yeboah JR Temp

C'mon man

I've enjoyed moss' performance, but how does his stats match up to other big time TEs?

Or better put, who usually wins this specific award?

I'll be the very first to admit I don't pay attention to the Mackey award or what many of those TEs are doing.

I never said he shouldn't be on the list. I was asking what that award values? Stats, blocking, etc. No idea

Year Player School Summary
2018 T.J. Hockenson* Iowa 49 Rec, 760 Yds, 15.5 Avg, 6 TD
2017 Mark Andrews* Oklahoma 62 Rec, 958 Yds, 15.5 Avg, 8 TD
2016 Jake Butt* Michigan 46 Rec, 546 Yds, 11.9 Avg, 4 TD
2015 Hunter Henry* Arkansas 51 Rec, 739 Yds, 14.5 Avg, 3 TD
2014 Nick O'Leary* Florida State 48 Rec, 618 Yds, 12.9 Avg, 6 TD
2013 Austin Seferian-Jenkins* Washington 36 Rec, 450 Yds, 12.5 Avg, 8 TD
2012 Tyler Eifert* Notre Dame 50 Rec, 685 Yds, 13.7 Avg, 4 TD
2011 Dwayne Allen* Clemson 50 Rec, 598 Yds, 12.0 Avg, 8 TD
2010 D.J. Williams* Arkansas 54 Rec, 627 Yds, 11.6 Avg, 4 TD
2009 Aaron Hernandez* Florida 68 Rec, 850 Yds, 12.5 Avg, 5 TD
2008 Chase Coffman* Missouri 90 Rec, 987 Yds, 11.0 Avg, 10 TD
2007 Fred Davis* USC 62 Rec, 881 Yds, 14.2 Avg, 8 TD
2006 Matt Spaeth* Minnesota 47 Rec, 564 Yds, 12.0 Avg, 4 TD
2005 Marcedes Lewis* UCLA 58 Rec, 741 Yds, 12.8 Avg, 10 TD
2004 Heath Miller* Virginia 41 Rec, 541 Yds, 13.2 Avg, 5 TD
2003 Kellen Winslow* Miami (FL) 60 Rec, 605 Yds, 10.1 Avg, 1 TD
2002 Dallas Clark* Iowa 43 Rec, 742 Yds, 17.3 Avg, 4 TD
2001 Daniel Graham Colorado 51 Rec, 753 Yds, 14.8 Avg, 6 TD
2000 Tim Stratton* Purdue 58 Rec, 605 Yds, 10.4 Avg, 2 TD

Moss is an exceptional TE on this years LSU squad but he doesn’t come close to the stats of any former winners. Got to agree with the stats meaning more here unfortunately.
Only one winner had less than 500 yards but he had 8 TDS.
I love your support for the kid but it doesn’t look plausible, that’s my opinion.

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I love your support for the kid but it doesn’t look plausible, that’s my opinion.

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Again. Read my post. I say he belongs on the short list. Of course, stats weigh heavily in these awards. And I have no illusion that he'll win it (though he would certainly deserve it, IMO)

I can't count the huge plays he has made this season. The guy is a beast in everything a TE is supposed to do in a Spread/RPO.

And BTW, Moss will break 500 yards or be damn close this season - even with being out for 2 cupcake games.

This thread is proof that you basically just threw shite against the wall with your Joe Burrow hype and got lucky it panned out. You clearly don't understand how anything works