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re: Is our fan base divided or do we just have a few select idiots?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:38 am to TIGRLEE
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:38 am to TIGRLEE
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that '"logic" as you call for some reason didnt appply last year with these two.
I thought you didn't care bout this subject and were soooooooo tired of talking bout it.
This is not last year anymore than 2009 was 2008 or 2009 was 2010.
JJ didn't lose the starting gig cause of his performance in the 2010 Cotton Bowl or cause of his fall practice performance of 2011. He loss it cause of an off the feild event which resulted, finally, in a GJ bringing back a misdemeanor charge. The same level of criminal charge that a member of our O line committed and never missed a game.
JL didn't lose his starting spot the 1st week JJ was back or the 2nd week or the 3rd week or the 4th week, but in the 11 week of the football season and after a poor performance vs. Bama.
If Lee doesn't shoot himself in the foot, he's still starting. imo
I don't see anything more unfair going on against Lee than what went on against anyone else, but each to our own.
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Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:40 am to BeeFense5
He did and I have said he played well, but he wasn't the reason LSU won I point I am making. By Scoop hinting he is I could rationally argue that Lee was reason LSU won the previous 9.
Yet both QB's are playing well but LSU is not winning because of them. The QB play is keeping the opposing defenses at bay by making plays here and there but still not reason. LSU is undefeated.
Yet both QB's are playing well but LSU is not winning because of them. The QB play is keeping the opposing defenses at bay by making plays here and there but still not reason. LSU is undefeated.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:43 am to tduecen
quote:Gotta disagree.
Then OT that was all the backs, as I said a change needed to be made but Jefferson isn't the reason they won either, it was again special teams, defense, an backs.
Are you implying the option had nothing to do with the win?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:46 am to TIGRLEE
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Only diff is JJ didnt turn it over
That is huge!
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He made 3 noteworthy plays in the game.
To the average fan but to the fans who know the game they will say he allowed LSU to get to the edge. The option is what helped us win the game.
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We need better oline protection and blocking first off.....throwing the ball gets us in a better situation to run, so I think that we are going to have to have a better effort in the air.
I agree.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:46 am to TIGRLEE
There has been numerous posts saying this team wouldn't be undefeated with JJ as the starter. I guess no one realizes that Lee has thrown for over 170 yards, twice. We are undefeated with either qb. FTR I wanted Lee to start. It's clear some people are more fans of certain players rathe than the program as a whole.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:47 am to Mayhawman
I'm implying jefferson did nothin to carry them to a win. He was not the reason LSU won and all LSU needed was just to not turn ball over, which is what lee was doing and why he was removed. Frankly I think LSU could have run as normal and been effective as well.
The defense and special teams put LSU in good field position most of game. The offense did enough not to cost LSU and LSU won.
The defense and special teams put LSU in good field position most of game. The offense did enough not to cost LSU and LSU won.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:49 am to supatigah
I don't think people are bitching about being undefeated or even that Jefferson is being allowed to play. People are bitching about the way Miles has handled Lee and deservingly so. Your premise to just dismiss the situation doesn;t make these people wrong or you more intelligent. What I do think it makes them is perhaps more morally sound. I don't think Jefferson should should sit as he can contributre greatly to this team. I also can remember several multiple interception games by Jefferson in which he looked horrendous and he remained the starter each game. My argument is not whether Jefferson or Lee is the better QB, it's only that the treatment of Lee after his poor performance has been wrong not unfair as others wold like to say. You can't have it both ways. You can't sit there and say what a great story (Lee) how he stuck with it and now is deservingly getting his shot and then the first time he makes a mistake you kick his arse to the curb again. We're gonna need points to beat Arkansas and win the natty title and people can't honestly say we're more explosive with Jefferson at the helm after 2 games with mediocre numbers at best aginst terrible opponents. We're gonna need Lee again and I'm not so sure that Miles didn't screw himself by the way he's handled this. ok bash away.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:49 am to jwill37
short answer is just a select few idiots
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:50 am to tduecen
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I'm implying jefferson did nothin to carry them to a win. He was not the reason LSU won and all LSU needed was just to not turn ball over, which is what lee was doing and why he was removed. Frankly I think LSU could have run as normal and been effective as well. The defense and special teams put LSU in good field position most of game. The offense did enough not to cost LSU and LSU won.
I pretty much agree with what you are saying. Lsu needed a qb in their to basically make sure we don't turn the ball over. The d and st carried the team that night.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:51 am to tduecen
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Jefferson did not really do anything against Bama except not turn the ball over.
This is a completely biased (and pretty retarded) statement. The not turning the ball over was HUGE in that game. Not to mention the plays JJ made running the option, and connecting on the one big pass play of the entire game. He did exactly what the coaches asked him to do and we ended up with victory. Give the guy some credit. Geez.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:52 am to jwill37
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jwill37
The "fairness" and "equality" crap needs to stop. This is football. You want fairness and equality? Join an occupy protest.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:54 am to BeeFense5
BeeFense5
Your statement shows how stupid you are. I made a point in my post to say that "fair" is not the right term. It's just plain wrong and could possibly kick us in the end.
Your statement shows how stupid you are. I made a point in my post to say that "fair" is not the right term. It's just plain wrong and could possibly kick us in the end.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:54 am to BeeFense5
Since when is it a coaches job to make the fans feel all " sunshiny " about who he plays. It's easy to tell who didn't play sports at a high level!
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:54 am to tduecen
quote:I was under the impression A and B were pretty much shut down and perimeter was only thing working.
Frankly I think LSU could have run as normal and been effective as well.
Everybody sees things differently I guess.
Peace out, time for a corndog.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:55 am to LSUzealot
Until TD.com has a questionnaire that has to be completed before posting demonstrating knowledge of the game and history of LSU - everyone has right to comment- regardless of perceived intelligence. So - pick battles and ignore those you can not help. Bottom line - support LSU as a TEAM!
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:56 am to jwill37
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It's just plain wrong and could possibly kick us in the end
Why is it wrong? Why aren't you whining about 70 other players who may have a lack of playing time?
Posted on 11/21/11 at 10:56 am to tduecen
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By Scoop hinting he is I could rationally argue that Lee was reason LSU won the previous 9.
The previous 9 were never really close. The one "big time" opponent was Oregon and Lee struggled in that game.
I would argue QB play was not a huge factor in any of those games, although I give Lee lots of credit for going on the road at Miss St and WVU and playing well. But we win those games regardless of the QB IMO.
Bama, on the other hand, was a completely different game. Lee was on the verge of LOSING that game. We needed a steady, reliable QB to give us a shot. JJ did what was asked of him and it worked out well for LSU. Obviously, JJ did not single handedly win that game, but to discredit his contribution is pretty dishonest IMO.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:03 am to ScoopAndScore
BeeFense5
Because the other 70 players aren't playing QB you dumb frick. It's WRONG for several reasons:
1) it's not the right thing to do and anyone with a conscience knows this 2) the way he's handled this could have destroyed Lee's confidence which in turn could lose us a game when it turns out that Jefferson is not the answer 3) becuase the opposite of what you think is the more intelligent way to go
And I know I know he's old enough not to let that effect him but the fact of the matter is it does and Miles knows this.
Because the other 70 players aren't playing QB you dumb frick. It's WRONG for several reasons:
1) it's not the right thing to do and anyone with a conscience knows this 2) the way he's handled this could have destroyed Lee's confidence which in turn could lose us a game when it turns out that Jefferson is not the answer 3) becuase the opposite of what you think is the more intelligent way to go
And I know I know he's old enough not to let that effect him but the fact of the matter is it does and Miles knows this.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:04 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:says the person who has come off 100% biased in this discussion
This is a completely biased (and pretty retarded) statement.
quote:as did Lee the previous 9 games yet you refuse to give him credit? Geez
He did exactly what the coaches asked him to do and we ended up with victory. Give the guy some credit. Geez.
Posted on 11/21/11 at 11:05 am to jwill37
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And I know I know he's old enough not to let that effect him but the fact of the matter is it does and Miles knows this.
Don't you think this might be a very good reason why Miles and the Offensive coaches feel JJ is the best starting QB we have?
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