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re: Is Coach O going to "Make LSU Football Great Again!"?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:53 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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You said hired are considered good only after the results.
that is true.
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Wow. They most certainly do. If an AD gambles on a less qualified coach and that coach fails then the AD will be viewed worse than if the AD hires a proven coach. Thats why you dont see position coaches get promoted to HC at big time programs. ADs dont like to bet their career's on an unproven coach.
ADs are viewed ultimately by the results their hires produce. Again, they may be praised at the time of the hire, but if that hire blows up, they are held accountable every bit as much.
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Saban had a far far far far better resume than Coach O.
never said he didn't. but having a better resume than Orgeron is not the same thing as being a proven elite HC either. Maybe you're too young to remember Saban being hired, but he was not viewed as a sure thing to resurrect the LSU program. He was viewed as a solid hire and a young promising coach. Saban developed the reputation he has as an elite coach only after he turned LSU into a national power.
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Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:56 pm to lsufball19
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so what?
Thats what i asked him to list.
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who says we aren'
We hired a career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program.
That says we arent. Instead of doing an actual coaching search our ad offered an unqualified coach.
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running the freshman team is like being in charge of the scout team. freshman weren't eligible to play then. That is not running a program or having HC experience. he was a career positional coach
He didnt win a title.
Fine Solich is #2.
Thats 2 out of hundreds of coaching changes.
Youre still proving my point.
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freshman weren't eligible to play then
In 1999?
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:58 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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In 1999?
Frank Solich was not coach of the freshman team in 1999. He ran the Freshman team from 1979-1982 champ. He was HC of Nebraska starting in 1998 after being their RB coach for 15 years
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 12:00 am
Posted on 1/23/17 at 11:59 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Youre still proving my point.
you have no point.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:01 am to Rickdaddy4188
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So you think its better to risk his career on a 55 year old career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program?
When you get to see him lead said program for 8 games going 6-2 and see the difference from the previous staff, hell YES. You don't?
At the same time, the guy idiot LSU fans want to hire goes 4-3 losing to less talented teams like Navy, SMU and Memphis. It would have been 4-4 but he left before the bowl game.
Kind of becomes a no-brainer for anyone with a little bit of sense.
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In his worst season as hc he had 9 wins.
Has been a very successful coordinator.
Has proven he can run a program.
Which was worse then his first season with another staff's players. I wish he could have stayed at UH another year. I would have bet BIG money he would have had more losses in his third year running the program than his second.
A lot of fired head coaches were very successful coordinators. Not every assistant coach goes on to be a very good head coach.
He has proven he can have success when left with a good program with good players. He has not proven he can sustain a good program for more than one season. See post above about his recruiting approval by UT fans on 24/7.
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In 3 years as HC he won 10 games total.
Has never ran a successful offense.
Has never ran a successful defense.
Has never ran a successful program.
10 games over 10 years ago at Ole Miss. Not too bad.
He doesn't need to run a successful offense, he has Matt Canada. Herman is a offensive genius and Steve Ensminger (a TE coach) would have been embarrassed to have pitiful numbers like Herman did against SMU and Tulane.
He doesn't need to run a successful defense, he has Dave Aranda.
Again for at least the third time - it is not the head coaches job to control the offense or defense.
I think what he did at USC would be considered successful. Especially after Kiffin losing 7 of his last 11 games. What he did at LSU with a TE's coach running the offense would also be considered successful. You hate the LSU coach so you won't agree with this.
Oh, Ed Oregon is the LSU football coach still. He's probably recruiting right now to build upon his success from last year.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:02 am to lsufball19
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that is tru
No its not.
Hiring Nick Saban is a good hire regardless of results.
Hiring a career dline coach is not a good hire.
Im amazed youre even arguing this.
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ADs are viewed ultimately by the results their hires produce. Again, they may be praised at the time of the hire, but if that hire blows up, they are held accountable every bit as much.
Whats more likely to get an AD fired?
1. Hiring a proven commodity that has eother run a successful side of the ball or a successful program.
2. Hiring a 55 year old career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program.
Youre being naive if you believe those 2 are equal.
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never said he didn't. but having a better resume than Orgeron is not the same thing as being a proven elite HC eith
In comparison to what Coach O has accomplished its elite.
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Maybe you're too young to remember Saban being hired, but he was not viewed as a sure thing to resurrect the LSU program
Saban was widely recognized as a good hire.
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Saban developed the reputation he has as an elite coach
But he had already proven he was a great defensive mind and he had proven he xould take a crap defense ( lsu's program) and trun them into the #1 defense in the nfl (making lsu relevant)
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:07 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Whats more likely to get an AD fired?
1. Hiring a proven commodity that has eother run a successful side of the ball or a successful program.
2. Hiring a 55 year old career dline coach that has never ran a successful offense, defense , or program.
Youre being naive if you believe those 2 are equal.
Does that 55 year old HC prove to be successful after he is hired? If he is, do you fire the AD for making the hire?
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In comparison to what Coach O has accomplished its elite.
Only you are comparing Nick Saban to Ed Orgeron. Why, I have no idea
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Saban was widely recognized as a good hire.
yeah, I said it was
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he had proven he xould take a crap defense ( lsu's program) and trun them into the #1 defense in the nfl (making lsu relevant)
I think you're arguing with yourself at this point. I still don't know why you're comparing Nick Saban to Ed Orgeron or why you keep interjecting him into this conversation
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:14 am to Tiger Ree
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When you get to see him lead said program for 8 games going 6-2 and see the difference from the previous staff, hell YES. You don't?
The irony. You diminish Herman for winning with another coach's players yet tout an interim tenure where o didnt run the offense,didnt run the defense, didnt choose the coordinators, and didnt chose the scheme.
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At the same time, the guy idiot LSU fans want to hire goes 4-3 losing to less talented teams like Navy, SMU and Memphis. It would have been 4-4 but he left before the bowl game.
Kind of becomes a no-brainer for anyone with a little bit of
I guess i have to do this again.
COACH A
In his worst season as hc he won 9 games.
Has been a very successful coordinator.
Has been a successful head coach.
Coach B
In his 3 year tenure as HC he won a total of 9 games.
Has never been a successful coordinator.
Has never been a successful head coach.
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Kind of becomes a no-brainer for anyone with a little bit of sense.
It most certainly is.
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Which was worse then his first season with another staff's player
Yet you tout Orgeron's interim tenure.
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He has proven he can have success when left with a good program with good playe
Ed orgeron hasnt proven he can even do this.
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He has not proven he can sustain a good program for more than one season. See post above about his recruiting approval by UT fans on 24/7.
Again with the irony.
Ed Orgeron hasnt even proven he can run a defense, let alone a program.
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10 games over 10 years ago at Ole Miss. Not too bad.
Worst tenure in ole miss history.
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He doesn't need to run a successful offense, he has Matt Canada. Herman is a offensive genius and Steve Ensminger (a TE coach) would have been embarrassed to have pitiful numbers like Herman did against SMU and Tulane.
He doesn't need to run a successful defense, he has Dave Aranda.
Then hire Aranda. He is a great up and coming coach that has a better resume than Coach O. The best coaches in cfb are hands on on 1 side of the ball.
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Again for at least the third time - it is not the head coaches job to control the offense or defense.
And again great coaches are hands on on one side of the ball.
Orgeron has never proven he can run a defense or offense.
Thats the point dumbass.
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I think what he did at USC would be considered successful.
So you tout an interim tenure where o had nothing to do with the offensive or defensive side of the ball yet knock Herman for winning with another coach's players.
You have to be trolling. No one is this dumb.
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You hate the LSU coach so you won't agree with this.
Stating facts isnt hating. Its called reality. Im sorry your world of sunshine and puppies isnt reality.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:17 am to lsufball19
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Does that 55 year old HC prove to be successful after he is hired? If he is, do you fire the AD for making the hire?
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Alleva shouldve been fired yesterday.
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think you're arguing with yourself at this point. I still don't know why you're comparing Nick Saban to Ed Orgeron or why you keep interjecting him into this conversation
Because you made the ignorant statement that hires can only be deemed a success or failure until after the tenure.
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Only you are comparing Nick Saban to Ed Orgeron. Why, I have no idea
Of courseyou cant keep up.
Im pointing out that hires can be deem successful before the tenure.
Hiring Nick Saban is a good hire regardless. The process in which O was hired is considered a bad hire.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:18 am to Rickdaddy4188
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epitome of irony. You call out Herman for winning with another coach's players yet tout an interim tenure for coach o. Youre toutinga tenure where he didnt run the offense,defense, or call the plays.
It's not irony. Both coaches took over programs from coaches who were fired. Coach O's eight games as coach of LSU were better than Herm's last 8 games as coach of UH in his second year. Shouldn't a coach do better in his second year while establishing his system, not worse?
I didn't even mention that 1 of CEO's 2 losses was to the unanimous #1 ranked team in the country at the time. Not teams on par with the Navy's and SMU's of the SEC.
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He wasnt even getting DC job offers. Name another time where Ed Orgeron was listed as a top 5 candidate for DC or for HC.
You don't know if he was getting offers or not. He was a top candidate for the USC head coaching position in 2013.
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What? Coach O wasnt running the offense.
Coach O wasnt running the defense.
Coach O wasnt calling plays.
Coach O had a TE's coach running the offense. The TE's coach set at least 3 all-time LSU offensive records in his short tenure. Coach O was the head coach and didn't need to run the offense.
Coach O had Dave Aranda running the defense. Coach O was the head coach and didn't need to run the defense.
Coach O was the head coach and didn't need to call the plays. He probably had input on the overall gameplan.
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Please enlighten as to what Coach O has done to remove doubt stemming from his ole miss tenure. Is it losing to a 14 point underdog at home while they were missing tons of defensive starters?
You didn't watch any LSU games this year?
As for UF - the LSU TE's coach had 423 yards total offense to UF's 270. LSU had 23 first downs to UF's 14. LSU had the ball 34 minutes to UF's 26. LSU had 2 turnovers to UF's 0 and that was the difference in the game.
A lot of things can be blamed on a head coach or coordinator. Turnovers is not one of them. Coach O and SE gave LSU the opportunity to win the game. Player miscues prevented the win.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400922862
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:20 am to lsufball19
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you have no point.
Only if youre a dumbass.
Im pointing out that ed orgeron is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history.
Im still waiting on you 2 to answer my questions.
Would ed orgeron be in Bama's top 10 as hc?
Would ed orgeron be in ohio states top 10 for hc?
Would any of the big 6 programa have him in top 10 for DC?
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:24 am to Tiger Ree
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You didn't watch any LSU games this year?
Yes.
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Coach O had a TE's coach running the offense. The TE's coach set at least 3 all-time LSU offensive records in his short tenure. Coach O was the head coach and didn't need to run the offense.
Then why are you giving ed orgeron credit? He has frick all to do with the offensive side of the ball.
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It's not irony. Both coaches took over programs from coaches who were fired. Coach O's eight games as coach of LSU were better than Herm's last 8 games as coach of UH in his second year. Shouldn't a coach do better in his second year while establishing his system, not worse?
Holy shite. You still have realized that interim tenures ARE NOT running a program. Ed orgeron hadnt chosen the coordinators. He hadnt chosen the scheme. Herman was running his program.
He was named interim because 3 of the 4 coordinators were in the first 4 games of their coaches tenure at each program.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:27 am to Tiger Ree
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As for UF - the LSU TE's coach had 423 yards total offense to UF's 270. LSU had 23 first downs to UF's 14. LSU had the ball 34 minutes to UF's 26. LSU had 2 turnovers to UF's 0 and that was the difference in the game.
Yeah its called not having the players focused.
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Turnovers is not one of them.
Ok im done discussing football with you. With the above statement you prove your football iq.
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Shouldn't a coach do better in his second year while establishing his system, not worse?
Nick Saban lost 3 games in 2001 and 5 in 2002. He must really suck as a hc.
Im done for the night brother.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:30 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Im pointing out that ed orgeron is the most unqualified hire in big 6 history.
Gene Chizick went 5-19 in two years at Iowa State before being hired by Auburn.
Florida replaced a NC coach with Will Muschamp, a guy with zero HC experience. He was fired in 4 years
Tennessee hired Derek Dooley who had three years experience at La Tech and had one wining season there.
Tennessee also hired Lane Kiffin who had just been fired from a HC job in which he went 5-15 in 1+ years as a HC
UGA just hired a guy with zero years of HC experience who replaced a coach coming off a 10 win season
Alabama hired their DL coach Mike Dubose and then later Mike Price who never coached a game because he was an idiot. Then they hired mike Shula, another coach w zero HC experience
Stop being so dramatic
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 12:35 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:32 am to Rickdaddy4188
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With the above statement you prove your football iq.
You say this in every thread to anyone who disagrees with you.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:55 am to lsufball19
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You say this in every thread to anyone who disagrees with you.
No i say it when someone posts something that warrants it.
Saying coaches are never responsible for turnovers is dumb. There are numerous way a coach's decision can lead directly to a turnover.
D
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 1:01 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:01 am to lsufball19
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Gene Chizick went 5-19 in two years at Iowa State before being hired by Auburn.
Florida replaced a NC coach with Will Muschamp, a guy with zero HC experience. He was fired in 4 years
Tennessee hired Derek Dooley who had three years experience at La Tech and had one wining season there.
Tennessee also hired Lane Kiffin who had just been fired from a HC job in which he went 5-15 in 1+ years as a HC
UGA just hired a guy with zero years of HC experience who replaced a coach coming off a 10 win season
Alabama hired their DL coach Mike Dubose and then later Mike Price who never coached a game because he was an idiot. Then they hired mike Shula, another coach w zero HC experience
All of those coaches have a far better resume than what ed orgeron has. Ed orgeron has never ran a successful offense, defense, or program.
Chizik= had been a good dc
Muschamp= one of the best dc in cfb
Derek Dooley= his 1 winning season is better than Orgeron's zero
Kiffen=had been an oc at usc and nfl hc
Mike Price= prior to coming to Bama Mikes price had won a pac 12 title.
Mike Shula= had been an OC in the nfl
These resumes are far better than Orgeron's. All of those coaches are more qualified than Ed Orgeron. Let that sink in. These coaches youre bashing have accomplished more in football than Ed Orgeron.
You do realize that you can look this shite up before posting,right?
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 1:06 am
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:05 am to LSU2THEMAX
I'm looking forward to it. No good reason not to.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:08 am to Rickdaddy4188
You're of the opinion their resumes were better. I disagree with that opinion and the criteria you choose to use to view their resumes as better.
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:29 am to lsufball19
Exactly kiffin had a horrible head coaching record (5-15) chizick was 5-19 at Iowa state. A couple of those guys had slightly better resumes but "far better" is far off. Don't take Rick too seriously when it comes to coach O he refuses to admit he had more head coaching experience than his idol Les when we hired him. Even though it's a fact he did.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 4:34 am
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