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re: Interesting article on NCAA Refs

Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by TigersFan64
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:11 pm to
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I think we have a much better shot next year with the new coaching staff.


Agree with you on this, but if it's a close game in the fourth quarter, I will be shocked if Alabama doesn't get a little home cooking from the officials. Just saying...I've been watching this show since the 1970's.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 9:14 pm
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:18 pm to
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I don't disagree there were bad calls. I'm just saying i dont buy in to this big conspiracy where refs actively cheat for alabama when there's not nearly enough data/evidence presented, yet, to prove this.


It happens too much in tight games with Alabama for me not to be suspicious. For example, do you really believe Alabama only committed ten or twelve offensive holds all season long in 2012? I don't. And one game I failed to mention was the 2012 game when T.J. Yeldon scored the winning TD, there was very possibly offensive holding there that wasn't called.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:35 pm to
Yep i dont deny the calls at all. I could see how it raises suspicion too. I just think we would need some unbiased statistics on all of this to have any real proof to point the finger at.

Someone brought up the holding penalty streak. I asked if it was 1) the longest streak in NCAAF. 2) how many holding calls were missed against bama during that time 3) is it more or less than the average missed holding calls from other SEC teams over that same time period.

I never got an answer, but i didnt expect one. My point to that was more research would need to be done to prove that Bama does get more preferential treatment than any other SEC team and even then a bias doesn't inherently mean refs are actively cheating.

I know people just downvote and hate on anything i say that doesn't agree with their conspiracy theory. I'm just the type of person to want to step back and objectively look at the numbers from a scientific method perspective.

As i indicated earlier in my post our memories can be tricky. We remember the shite that cost us a game much more than the holding we didn't get called for against ole miss on a fournette td run, or the aj green excessive celebration that cost GA the game against us.

I VIVIDLY remember all those painstaking losses to Bama and the shitty calls durinv the games. I just can't say that means refs are actively cheating.

That was my whole point, and the article does a good job of discussing how refs are human and bias is in play. No doubt about it, but in the interest of "fairness" these refs should not be governed by the conferences. I totally agree with that. It helps put conspiracy theories like the Bama and refs one to sleep...if only for a bit.

Hope that clears it up.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:50 pm to
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i dont deny the calls at all. I could see how it raises suspicion too. I just think we would need some unbiased statistics on all of this to have any real proof to point the finger at.


What is biased about it? The videos do not lie.

Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:54 pm to
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What is biased about it? The videos do not lie.


Unbiased meaning that it's coming from an independent party who is looking at more than LSU games and also using the numbers to compare them against something. That is to say, just because there are bad calls what does that mean? How do the missed calls stack up against the average, etc. Just an actual study. Not a fans theory. Basically a similar study to the one i linked but would have to look at just the SEC.
Posted by TriDitty
New Iberia
Member since Aug 2016
1272 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:04 pm to
I have seen too many horrible calls to doubt that LSU has been a victim in the past. It has been too damned obvious by far.

This year wasn't as bad but it was still there when it counted. A ref can call a decent game for three quarters and end up totally screwing a team with a key call in the 4th qtr.

Either way, our Tigers left themselves open to these types of things late in games.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 10:45 pm to
You still don't get it no matter how many times we tell you. This isn't a systematic thing that happens on a regular basis. It only happens in big games that are tight and it always involves that one team. The calls always favor this team when the game is on the line.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:59 pm to
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it always involves that one team


Can you show me some data indicating that? Only Alabama benefits from calls in tight games?

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The calls always favor this team when the game is on the line.


Please give me the numbers on this to back it up. That's my point you don't have them so there's no substantial proof that its always and only Bama.


So yes i do understand what you're saying. I am just saying compared to what? If you claim there's favoritism and bias i agree. If you claim that it only benefits Bama and Auburn i would say not enough information to come to that conclusion.

To provide proof there really is something going on you would have to calculate the amount of time Bama gets game changing calls (also define game changin). Then look at all game changing calls across the SEC to see 1) how other teams compare and 2) what the average amount of calls were based on all teams. Finally, you would have to decide how far to take your search back.

Until then, it suspicion and speculation based off of personal memory, which is very little information to go on to come to such a big claim (refs actively cheat for bama).

So ultimately, where we differ is what do you consider to be proof vs what i do.

Eta: it also depends on whether or not those "game changing" calls were missed, incorrect calls, questionable, or correct.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 1:23 am
Posted by AndrewD
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:26 am to




3rd and 9 in the 4th quarter for the only td of the game... interesting
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 12:47 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:41 am to
Ok...
Posted by DONHOGG
NE Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
1981 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:53 am to
It's not calls all game long. It's the call in crucial times that keep the momentum turned in the favor of one team.
Posted by AndrewD
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:06 am to


The Patrick Peterson INT no-call was another one for all time. Both feet in bounds, ball secured... called not an interception.



3rd place would be the knee-brace pull that led to an unsportsmanlike conduct against LSU. Maybe its just a coincidence that these things keep happening in the 4th quarter of close games.
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 1:17 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:18 am to
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But... we all know this.


Indeed we do.

quote:

maybe its just an amazing coincidence that these things keep happening in the 4th quarter of close games.


Possibly. We wouldn't know unless someone conducted actual research on it.
Posted by AndrewD
Member since Oct 2013
728 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:47 am to
"actual" research seems to be disregarding the context of the game-changing calls... padded averages with situations that have little effect on the final outcome
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:52 am to
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"actual" research seems to be disregarding the context of the game-changing calls... padded averages with situations that have little effect on the final outcome


Not really. You just narrow your research.

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To provide proof there really is something going on you would have to calculate the amount of time Bama gets game changing calls (also define game changin). Then look at all game changing calls across the SEC to see 1) how other teams compare and 2) what the average amount of calls were based on all teams. Finally, you would have to decide how far to take your search back.

Until then, it suspicion and speculation based off of personal memory, which is very little information to go on to come to such a big claim (refs actively cheat for bama).


That was my response to that comment from a different poster.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:02 am to
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I've been watching this show since the 1970's.


This show...

My man!

Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:33 am to
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No one thinks they are actually cheating. We just want them to be better. I can consistently see the same missed calls throughout every game I watch


And they consistently favor the flagship schools as you can see in the cited study.

I'm not sure why cheating or biased officials is some shocking relevation to some. Some athletic events are rigged and they always have been. Match fixing is very real.

I mean in 1919 the White Sox threw the world fricking series. Pro Soccer is plagued by match fixing. It happened in the Olympics recently. Also numerous examples of officials fixing games exists too.

Ancient olympic wrestling match fixing


Posted by km
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:50 am to
BS. Ask Michigan.
Posted by 1badboy
In space
Member since Jul 2014
8103 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:07 am to
I thought u guys already new the SEC refs are homeless! They pay them 25$ & a meal to calla game!!!
Posted by TigersFan64
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2014
4755 posts
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:24 am to
From the 2014 Alabama game:

Courtesy of a post by runningTiger
LINK


LINK

"Vadal's penalty in which he lightly pushes away bama player who is grabbing Vadal's leg, trying to get to Vadal's arse hole. Vadal pushes him away and Bama player flails arms in air. 2nd and goal at the 6 becomes 2nd and goal at the 21. LSU must settle for 3. Meanwhile, as you can see in the below video, #99 for Bama has an LSU player in a headlock and is yanking on it."

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