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re: In defense of Tommy Casanova
Posted on 2/3/09 at 12:26 am to MontanaTiger
Posted on 2/3/09 at 12:26 am to MontanaTiger
My two cents on this pointless debate:
Tommy Casanova was one of the greatest LSU Tigers to ever play the game. If he born twenty years ago instead of fifty years ago, he would still be a premier player in today's game. However, if you take 1970's Casanova and put him on today's field, I think he would not be as prominent due to the increase in the speed of the game. I think players today are faster than thirty years ago due to several factors. This can be seen each year at track meets when the records set in the recent past are quickly replaced. In addition, I bet it would take any 1970's player a while to catch up with the new forms of explosive offense's that have develop over the past decades. Although, he could probably adapt to this quickly due to his intelligence. Also, it is possible that the increase in technology, techniques and training over the past three decades would result in QB's being able to throw the ball faster, meaning the ball gets to the receiver faster, which would mean the defense would have to less time to close in on the receiver. Notwithstanding the most likely incorrect point about throwing speed, I still believe his quickness/reaction time and his overall speed would decrease the number of accolades he would receive. With all this being said, his work ethic and natural talent would still lead him to being an ALL-SEC player in today's age even with the speed disadvantage he would have.
Tommy Casanova was one of the greatest LSU Tigers to ever play the game. If he born twenty years ago instead of fifty years ago, he would still be a premier player in today's game. However, if you take 1970's Casanova and put him on today's field, I think he would not be as prominent due to the increase in the speed of the game. I think players today are faster than thirty years ago due to several factors. This can be seen each year at track meets when the records set in the recent past are quickly replaced. In addition, I bet it would take any 1970's player a while to catch up with the new forms of explosive offense's that have develop over the past decades. Although, he could probably adapt to this quickly due to his intelligence. Also, it is possible that the increase in technology, techniques and training over the past three decades would result in QB's being able to throw the ball faster, meaning the ball gets to the receiver faster, which would mean the defense would have to less time to close in on the receiver. Notwithstanding the most likely incorrect point about throwing speed, I still believe his quickness/reaction time and his overall speed would decrease the number of accolades he would receive. With all this being said, his work ethic and natural talent would still lead him to being an ALL-SEC player in today's age even with the speed disadvantage he would have.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 1:34 am to diehard24
Tommy played CB, he also played RB, PR, KOR.
Anyone want to guess the other CB?
Anyone want to guess the other CB?
Posted on 2/3/09 at 1:41 am to Rougarou4lsu
Casanova and Willie Buchannon (if im not mistaken and i dont think i am) were the 1 and 2 ranked CBs going into the draft the year he came out.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 5:18 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
no one who saw casanova shut down notre dame's all american receiver - gatewood - in 1971 could exclude casanova from serious consideration as one of lsu's greatest defensive secondary players. gatewood had the skills, stats, physical abilities and nd's system to back up his credentials. but in tiger stadium in nov 71, casanova covered him all night like a cheap, uncomfortably tight leisure suit.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 5:30 am to Rougarou4lsu
He was the best, a sure thing that could be counted on. AND, he had movie-star good looks. What more could a girl want!
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:03 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
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He played only 6 seasons: 72-77.
yeah ... 4 Pro Bowls in 6 seasons. Not many players in the game can stake claim to this. Casanova in today's game, with today's strength and conditioning techniques would still dominate.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:22 am to 1984Tiger
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I was responding to a thread that said Casanova had the longest tenure in the NFL of any other LSU player; he's not even close. I surely wasn't questioning his ability. He was awesome pro player, but he played pro ball only long enough to get through medical school.
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yeah ... 4 Pro Bowls in 6 seasons. Not many players in the game can stake claim to this. Casanova in today's game, with today's strength and conditioning techniques would still dominate.
I was responding to a thread that said Casanova had the longest tenure in the NFL of any other LSU player; he's not even close. I surely wasn't questioning his ability. He was awesome pro player, but he played pro ball only long enough to get through medical school.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:33 am to diehard24
quote:best opinion on this debate IMO
diehard24
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:43 am to diehard24
you simply can't project the physical aspects of a player across eras because of the training techniques and general knowledge available. It's highly possible that Cassanova would still be All-American today given, as you say, his work ethic, skill, etc.
I think, in general, the ball is being thrown quicker in west coast style offenses, or due quicker rushes by the defense....I doubt many of today's starting QB's have the arms of Jones, Bradshaw, Williams, etc.
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training over the past three decades would result in QB's being able to throw the ball faster, meaning the ball gets to the receiver faster,
I think, in general, the ball is being thrown quicker in west coast style offenses, or due quicker rushes by the defense....I doubt many of today's starting QB's have the arms of Jones, Bradshaw, Williams, etc.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:47 am to Rougarou4lsu
I have seen a lot of very good players at LSU over the years but Casanova was clearly the best. I went to a spring game when he was a junior, I think, and he played tailback and ran for about 200 yards. Biggest problem was that he was so quick that it looked like the quarterbacks couldn't get down the line quickly enough to get him the ball. He ran a 9.8 yard dash if I recall. Very smart, very quick, and a true "game changer" on the field.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:51 am to Rougarou4lsu
not to take away anything from Casanova, but the passing game then is very different from today.
i dont have the figures, but around 1970, college teams probably average 100-150yds passing a game.
i dont have the figures, but around 1970, college teams probably average 100-150yds passing a game.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 7:51 am to ForeLSU
quote:Flacco, J Russell, Favre, Cutler??
I doubt many of today's starting QB's have the arms of Jones, Bradshaw, Williams, etc.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:12 am to Rougarou4lsu
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You guys act like we wore LEATHER HELMETS IN THE 70S
Perhaps it's time for two Tiger Rants -- one for those born before 1975, the other for those born in 1975 or later.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:16 am to Pilot Tiger
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Flacco, J Russell, Favre, Cutler??
which is why I didn't say "any"...it's likely that arm strength, across the board, is comparable to the early 70's.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:27 am to LSU316
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I personally had my first conversation with him not 3 days ago at a Faith Rally held at St. Michael's School in Crowley.
are you sure it was tommy and not his brother jack? i was at the faith rally also, i stood by and visited with jack during the first hour. we stood in the back by the gym entrance. if that is where you were, it was jack. not saying tommy wasn't there, cause he does attend school functions often, and the gym was completely packed!
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:30 am to Rougarou4lsu
He was the best. I remember ND/LSU with Tom Gatewood, a concensus All-America getting tons of accolades as an Irish receiver. Casanova shut him down. I believe the quote was, 'Casanova was in my jock strap all day long'. Good times.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:33 am to ForeLSU
quote:i respectfully and wholehardedly disagree
it's likely that arm strength, across the board, is comparable to the early 70's.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 8:47 am to Pilot Tiger
If you ever saw Casanova in purple and gold, you know how great he was. If you didn't see him, you can't know. I've been watching LSU football for over 45 years, and he is the best I ever saw at any position. Now, I loved Dalton, Kevin Faulk, Bert Jones, all of the great players who did so well playing for Saban and Miles, and a whole bunch of other players, but I have yet to see anyone in purple and gold as good as Casanova was. He was fast, and he had great range, and he would tatoo an opposing player as well as anyone - ask Johnny Musso. I've often considered whether I ever saw anyone better, but I have seen him yet. There's no doubt in my mind. My 2 cents.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 9:23 am to Rougarou4lsu
When it comes to the greatest football players in LSU history it would be difficult to select anyone other than Tommy Casanova. Three time All-American and called the best player in college football by Sports Illustrated.
Just my opinion but I would consider Mike Miley to be the greatest athlete to ever attend LSU.
Just my opinion but I would consider Mike Miley to be the greatest athlete to ever attend LSU.
Posted on 2/3/09 at 9:31 am to Rudy40
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Casanova was 6-2 210 lbs and amazingly fast
Should have been moved to LB...
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